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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 27, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
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If you're seriously posting Infowars as your source for information, Stud, I think our discussion is over.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
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I'm not asking you to believe me Locker, I'm telling you my experience. Also polling Western Europe is kind of like polling California, very similiar. It is no representation of how the rest of the world thinks.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
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I was in Vietnam and mainland China on my regular business trip there. I heard on the main Chinese news that the TPP passed. I returned here last night and all I hear about is Gay marriage, the confederate flag, and rainbow lights over the White House. Very strange?
I hear ya Werner!
Edit: Backpedaling? WTF? All you can handle, and a little more!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
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yes.... backpedaling are you?
Do you know where the brakes are?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 06:42pm PT
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You might check a map Locker, but I will answer the question for you. No, it does not. Didn't your mamma tell you to study harder in school? hey, if you're going to picture El Cap Tom giving a blowjob to somebody, i can't cut you any slack.
Did you have some requirement for bordering Europe or were we talking about the world? I travel Europe extensively also, it just so happens I returned from Asia last night. Whats your point?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
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I didn't miss it, I just added to it.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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I wanted to go climbing, but ended up mostly working and surfing. I did find this crag that I intend to explore next time I am in the area. Looks promising.
I got a bunch of really cool old ships wheels and anchors.
Nice little surf break for the morning sess
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
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another nearby unexplored crag
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
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Just like anywhere, keep in on the down low, and usually no problems. But if I'm blatantly trespassing across someones property and a foreigner to boot, I will probably get called on it by the owner just like here.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 27, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
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Studly, after watching the Alex Jones video, I am no closer to understanding your anger over the passing of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
He seems convinced that this means that an "Asian Union" will be merged with the "North American Union" and the "European Union" and that everyone in the world will soon be a slave, ruled by the senior executives of four or five large banks.
I assume by "North American Union" he means the NAFTA agreement, and by "European Union" he means what we all call the EU. If that's correct, I don't understand how he (and you) get from NAFTA and the EU to slavery for the masses.
Sorry if this comes across as a bit snarky, but I really am interested in hearing your (or somebody's) explanation of how the TPP is the final nail in the coffin of freedom.
Like you, my work requires me to travel a lot to Asia and Europe. I also spend all day, everyday, working with Asians and Europeans (and North Americans). And not once have I ever heard any of them even hint at any of the things you and Alex Jones are talking about. For all of the people I work with and interact with, freer global trade is a benefit, not a pathway to slavery.
So, if you are willing, can you explain your fear?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:01pm PT
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The collapse of the dollar.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:05pm PT
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Ghost... Not sure if it's true but i read TPP was going to outsource more American jobs...?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:12pm PT
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The TPP is for large corporations, not for you and I.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:14pm PT
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^^^ well beyond that, big corporations will no longer have to describe their intensions. Kinda like the "don't ask, don't tell" the military used in the issues of being "gay".
It's giving big corps. more power.
When did free trade EVER help America's poor??
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
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"For all of the people I work with and interact with, freer global trade is a benefit..." -Ghost
I like to read Thomas Friedman. I think he would agree with you...
We may be back to traditional geopolitics, but it’s in a much more interdependent world, where our economic clout is still a source of restraint on Moscow and Beijing. Putin doesn’t disguise his military involvement in Ukraine for nothing; he’s afraid of more U.S. banking sanctions. China doesn’t circumscribe its behavior in the South China Sea for nothing; it can’t grow without exporting to America. It’s not just our guns; it’s our butter. It’s why we should be expanding U.S.-shaped free-trade deals with Asia and Europe, and it’s why the most important source of stability in the world today is the health of the U.S. economy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/24/opinion/cold-war-without-the-fun.html?smid=tw-TomFriedman&seid=auto&_r=1
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 27, 2015 - 11:09pm PT
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It's giving big corps. more power.
When did free trade EVER help America's poor??
It might interest you to know that 'small cap' corps are defined as being between $300 million
and $2 billion. BwaHaHaHa!
As to your latter non sequitur I'll reply with one: quite often! Sounds like you would feel right
at home in Greece, Argentina, or Venezuela.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 27, 2015 - 11:13pm PT
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It’s not just our guns; it’s our butter. It’s why we should be expanding U.S.-shaped free-trade deals with Asia and Europe,
That's a big fat terd! So were banking our power on America's want, and ABILITY to buy a bunch of cheap junk? News flash! The rest of the world is catching up on junk consumerism. And whose gonna keep you in the dark dungeon till your Anorexic? Our top 1%, who BTW aren't even American.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 28, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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Isn't all the property in China owned by the 'people'?
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jstan
climber
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Jun 28, 2015 - 10:21am PT
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I read that the free trade agreement we negotiated and the subsidies for corn production in the US have made the farming of corn in Mexico uneconomic. Increased immigration has been one result. And increasingly we are finding that the presence of corn products in all of our foods is having unfortunate health effects.
Predicting the unexpected consequences of actions is extremely difficult and there are always unexpected consequences. This makes it really important for there to be unimpeded conversations both in the general public and in our legislatures.
Intellectual constipation could easily be the death of us.
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