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steveA
Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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Sorry to offend some- but I HATE video games!!!
I may sound simplistic, but before I retired from teaching, I saw in other classrooms--not mine, kids virtually addicted to violent video games.
The teacher next to my classroom, who eventually was fired, condoned the bright idea of allowing kids to goof off on the computer, every day.
His class became known as an area where kids could play video games all day.
Guess what--the most popular games were the gory violent type.
My observation indicates a much more serious problem, which I really don't have the answer for.
I personally love my single shot rifles, but I never had much use for semi-automatic guns.
The problem here is much more serious than guns and video games. I never heard of such tragedies when I was growing up.
I worry for my grandchildren--where are we headed?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
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Bob - I'd like to think that one day this country would reflect on a different state of being. But I fear that we still have too many citizens willing to raise their foam "We're Number 1" finger to the sky.
As long as we continue to raise kids saturated from birth with violence - be it real or imagined - we will never evolve beyond the bomb throwing, bullet shooting monkeys that we are.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:49pm PT
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The conservatives want to ban "weed" "sex" "condoms"... but not assault weapons.
WTF is wrong with them???
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:57pm PT
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It is oh so boringly predictable; the self-appointed expert on firearms;
You don't need a semi-auto to hunt deer. If you don't get it on the first shot, BFD. It's called sport.
No civilian needs a semi-automatic or automatic weapon for anything.
Self-defense wouldn't be "sporting" if you didn't give the robber/rapist a chance.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
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The media acts like this is such a tragedy and horrible thing, yet they love the ratings and how many are glued to their networks. Yeah we live in a violent society.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
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"Tyranny of Dogma alive and well".
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micronut
Trad climber
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
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Dave,
A little bit of both. I agree with you. Action matters. Action helps, but it does not cure the root of the problem. Would you agree?
Your cavity analogy. I fix it. But your analogy isn't sufficient for say, cancer. You can treat it, but there is time to get to know the human when all else fails and treat the soul. But this madness, this horror, is like cancer. Sometimes the "fix" goes deeper than a policy or a law.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:01pm PT
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My response to that cartoon;
Stalin
Mao
Hitler
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micronut
Trad climber
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:03pm PT
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Riley,
I hear ya. But being raised in a different country might not make this all better for you. Think of the mass shooting in scandanavia last year.
I'm sorry this is hittin' you so hard man, your anger is good if you channel it into something productive. Not so if it consumes you. There is a bigger picture here concerning the nature of humanity. That's all I'm saying.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:03pm PT
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I am not a gun owner. Nor do I believe in further gun control to solve an apparent problem with our society. I DO however think people need to discuss the power of video games. Here is a list of the top 10 that kids across the country are absorbing with fervor. These games have become IMO a big factor in desensitizing the moral value of human life. Even the military has both recognized and capitalized on this concept. Now days, we have many latchkey kids with a surrogate parent....the xbox.
http://www.cnet.com/1990-11136_1-6310088-1.html
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:03pm PT
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Stalin, Mao and Hitler had nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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The largest school killing in US history was not committed with a gun.
Bath, Michigan
May 18, 1927
By far the worst school massacre in US history took place in the tiny town of Bath, Michigan in 1927. There, an angry school board member named Andrew Kehoe blew up the town’s school, killing 45 and wounding 58. Most of the victims were kindergarten through sixth grade students. A secondary explosion killed Kehoe and the school Superintendent.
Also we here in the US are not alone is these horrible incidents...
April 26, 2002
Erfurt Germany
A former student kills 18, including himself at a school in eastern Germany.
March 13, 1996
Dunblane, Scotland
And of course we cannot forget Norway.
Peace to the dead and the bereaved families and friends.
Edit: Phil you need to add a third panel to that cartoon, the # of Americans (myself included) who have protected themselves from a violent end with their legally owned firearm.
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cmcc
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
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Excerpt from a book titled Hurt
"I'll tell you why I don't trust anyone at this school or my parents. Everybody is out for themselves. Teachers, coaches, parents, even my church group leaders - they are all out for themselves. Nobody gives a (expletive) about me! Nobody!"
- a sixteen year old girl following a presentation on trust
This statement is representative of hundreds of comments I heard from a wide variety of midadolescents. The issue of trust for this population is not whether they can be trusted but whether they feel safe enough to trust an adult. Many mid adolescents feel that adults are more concerned with their own agendas than with the needs of adolescents, and therefore, they cannot be trusted.
my own words now...
All this gun talk seems to be a lot of finger pointing.
Tragedies like this remind me about the cry that is inside our young people for authentic and meaningful relationships. It challenges me to be put down my agenda. When I do I am a better friend, capable of being a listener and encourager of someone else's dreams. Maybe in the midst of caring for our youth this rage and hurt can be diffused, maybe healed.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
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Anyway, murder is not some phenomenon local to the U.S.
No, but mass shootings of innocent people at schools, malls, etc seems to be pretty well concentrated here.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
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Ron, there is visible smoke coming out of NRA headquarters, there spin doctors are experiencing cerebral overload.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
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Philo writes:
"Stalin, Mao and Hitler had nothing to do with the 2nd amendment."
That's one reason they were successful in killing so many of their own citizens. You can't do that to an armed populace.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
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yeah
if those third graders would only have been allowed guns they would have stopped this
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
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I've had 3... or were it 4... guns pointed at me. Every time I thought "what a fuking piece of sh#t, pointing a gun at a teenager for [skating near their house, mooning their car, swearing in a record store, fuking their granddaughter]..."
Couldn't even deal with the situation without pulling a gun... talk about pussies.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:10pm PT
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[quote]Stalin, Mao and Hitler had nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.[/quote
That is what I like about you philo, your amazing ability at understatement.
(right down to your not thanking a guy for a quarter grand for your pain in the neck)
;-)
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Dec 14, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
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Stalin, Mao and Hitler had nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. The left side of the tally on Phile-ho's cartoon (his favored mode of "analysis") should read "Tyrant's Established" (although we could be flirting with that now).
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