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dickcilley
Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
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Jan 28, 2015 - 06:43pm PT
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Come on down Lynne.You too grug.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Jan 28, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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Are you there Cilley? May be down in a week or so to visit Sir Fonda with one of our Bezerkeley friends.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2015 - 07:10pm PT
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Yup, Dick is there.
Permit? Sure, but your gonna pay a hefty fee.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Jan 28, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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rlf, will you take one of my children in lieu of fee?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
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I need something of value...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Jan 28, 2015 - 07:18pm PT
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How do you always come up with the great come back line??????????
You must have practiced when you were locked in the trunk:)
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2015 - 07:20pm PT
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As they say, practice makes perfect.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Jan 29, 2015 - 10:06am PT
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Good chance I'll come visit in April, Dick.
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dickcilley
Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
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Jan 31, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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I might still be here in April. Hard to Say.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 31, 2015 - 01:43pm PT
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I hear Lucky Larry is down there hanging, hows he doing? Hope hes getting some climbing in.
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dickcilley
Social climber
Wisteria Ln.
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Jan 31, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
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Grug, Maybe we should meet up in Zion.Find something big for you to fall off of.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Dec 20, 2015 - 08:37am PT
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People got smart, found a better place.. lol but the J THE Maid did the dirty work of digging up all that smelly sh#t people stick in the ground!!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Dec 20, 2015 - 08:51am PT
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Is there any way to make it a Monument again?
Where have all the climbing enforcers gone? Used to be that placing an unwarranted bolt or leaving a bit of trash was grounds for getting your eye dotted in Josh. Now look at you.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 20, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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Went by the pit recently, it looks to be dead. Anyone know what happened?
Robert is planning to put out an announcement, but now that you ask....
The Pit was not a permitted activity and I understand there was a complaint to the county. The county levies substantial fines for such things so the decision was made to shut the Pit down.
It was great fun while it lasted. I certainly don't regret all the work I put in. I got to meet a lot of good people. But that is the end of it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 20, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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the decision was made to shut the Pit down.
Yeah, it was giving all the local permitted meth labs a bad reputation.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Dec 20, 2015 - 11:12am PT
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All it takes is one as#@&%e, but you know, there's one in every crowd that ruins it for everyone.
Actually, it requires that one A-hole AND a host of other people willing to idly sit by rather than call that person out and make them own it.
It appears The Pit was a microcosm of society attitudes in general whereby people are willing to sub-contract all the justification and enforcement of what is right rather than confront them and demand they clean up their act or push-off down the road.
There's only one way to fix some kinds of stupid and talking isn't it. You pull that trash stunt in Idaho (or Utah for that matter) and you best have 4 spares and some butterfly closures on hand.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 20, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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Escopeta:
Actually, it requires that one A-hole AND a host of other people willing to idly sit by rather than call that person out and make them own it.
It appears The Pit was a microcosm of society attitudes in general whereby people are willing to sub-contract all the justification and enforcement of what is right rather than confront them and demand they clean up their act or push-off down the road.
We need not to let Escopeta's out of date information mislead people. The Pit was not closed down because of trash. People wanting to use the Pit back in 2012 cleaned up not only the Pit but also the adjoining 18 acres. Before and after shots:
Since 2012 Phil Bircheff did a great job as sort of a camp host and there were no problems. A local person did dump 14 tires there but they were removed within the week.
If I might I would like to address the issue of how one best handles situations. Frequently people become angry when there are transgressions. Being angry is not a helpful response. We have found that simply clearing trash away immediately as it appears, and what is more, also removing anything that reappears is quite effective. People much prefer to deposit trash where there is already trash. cf: Alice's Restaurant.
I seldom have had trash reappear. Generally when a parcel is cleared, a for sale sign is put up by the owner. Don't think for a moment no one notices. This is a powerful and growing movement. Being "in the van", as the Brits say, is really cool.
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I looked up the zoning. The parcel is zoned one acre residential which is about the most restrictive. There are procedures for using the lot for other purposes but waivers and public involvement seem to be required. And the use would have to be code compliant. These all act to make free camping a challenge.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Dec 20, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
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Glad to hear it was on the straight and narrow.
Now all that's left is the disagreement on the appropriate response.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Dec 20, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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Whoa, how sad. The pit gone..... I only stayed there once, but for me it was a safety valve. Just knowing it was there if I really, really needed a place to stay for a night or two was a terrific fallback. I'm not surprised, just saddened that another "special spot" has been laid to rest.
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