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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Aug 15, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
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regardless, this conversation is hilarious. if cragman had known Chris prior to the incident and Chief hadnt, i could see thier perspctives shifted 180....
Chief,
i am not here to defend your buddy Dean. there is much to be admired from each of you. the attacks towards one another on this thread is not admirable.
but yes your piss is being carried by the wind, hopefully it wont shift.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 15, 2012 - 09:02pm PT
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i understand what you are saying cragman.....and i have to ask myself....if i had to ask for beta on supertopo.....that might just be my first warning that i had a issue...i mean , how the hell does one determine they are getting good advice or bad advice?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 15, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
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my point exactly Q.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 15, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
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Cragman you failed miserably ....
Calling these guys "a-holes" here, right off the bat nullifies & voids everything you stand for with your arguments in your so called "sar professionalism" relating to this incident.
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covelocos
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:50am PT
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Now back to the regularly scheduled entertainment.... Right?!?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:16am PT
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Bad form of an example IMO. Definitely not good form/example of postive mentorship.
i dont disagree, but you are the pot calling the kettle black. there have been numerous times that you have been a "assertive" to climbers on websites from bolting to god knows what.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:31am PT
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well,
hard to argue with a man who agrees to being an as#@&%e.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:35am PT
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not trying to rile you up.
calling it how i see it although it dont matter much. cheers.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:45am PT
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lol....you do like having the last say. go have a beer.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Aug 16, 2012 - 09:19am PT
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Cragman-
I thought Werner's comments towards you were spot on. I don't see where having an attitude that people are aholes or such if you are in SAR would be beneficial to anyone. You have to rise above and perorm your duties not be judge and jury. THese are just MY opinions and not meant to be an attack.
No reason to backlash at Werner. Just reflect what he said for awhile.
take care
dave
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Aug 16, 2012 - 10:00am PT
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Cragman-
Thanks for the reply and all your work helping people in the past. I have lots of respect for what SAR people do. I have been on the other side, having to be rescued once, and the people who came to my aid were very compassionate and professional.
sorry for the thread drift.
take care
dave
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 16, 2012 - 10:18am PT
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I would have advised anyone with his level of experience to CLIMB the Nose, not rappel it.
And then when they had to bail? Then what? Now they're rapping a wall with a 100lb of crap, bags/ledges.
It's baffling that your knee jerk response was acting like being plucked from a sunny frontcountry chunk of granite, mid summer is in the same realm of risk as someone in avy-prone backcountry terrain, in freezing conditions without a known location.
If these guys are fined/prosecuted, then so should every Mist Trail carryout for some grandma touron who hiked up in flip flops and turned an ankle. That's probably over half of your valley "rescues" right there, escorting some fatbody with a gimpy ankle or empty belly back down a trail.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 16, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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Sounds like 100 lbs. of well thought out, life-sustaining provisions to me.
And if you think a rescue off of El Cap is not without risk....well....
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I said, "without risk". Strawman much? And of course rapping with a heavy ass bag to deal with carries no risk..it's "life sustaining provisions" after all. It surely doesn't complicate things or add risk. But then we all know n00bs never bail from walls anyway, so no worries.
You get all hot and bothered that they took some unnecessary risk and your solution, "climb it instead", had a significant chance to put them in an even riskier situation.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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^^^^
What's up there Billy Bob Thorton?
"Mmmm hmm, I sure do love me some mustard biscuits, mmmm hmm"
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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You are a Wanker Cragman.
There's no doubt about it.
Your incessant spinning of this bullsh!t any way you can to make your "opinion" (that's all it really is), hold above all ......
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TFPU
Sport climber
Idaho
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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Cmon Cragman lighten up on these kids. Whithout incidences like this you'd never be able to pontificate how bad ass you are and all compasionate like
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bbbeans
Trad climber
Bozeman, MT
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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"Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded"
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micronut
Trad climber
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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Chris,
Glad you guys had some gusto to go after a big mission. Also glad things went safely on the rescue. Way to go YOSAR. Thumbs up. Hoping for a full write up so we can all learn something here.
Scott
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 17, 2012 - 10:51am PT
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Group hug?
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