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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Mar 28, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 28, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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I just love how they keep using Martin's pic from when he was like 12. All smiles. Not the ones of him in baggy clothes flipping off the camera.
edit: BREAKING NEWS
(CNN) -- The parents of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teen killed by a Hispanic man who claims self-defense, said Wednesday that they have faith in authorities investigating the case.
Zimmerman is now "Hispanic".
F*ck my life.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 28, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
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The problem is that the Right wing in this country is part of a cult that gets all its information from the same sources and thinks the same way.
I'm trying to think of the best way to compare it to something....
I guess...
If your Black, you'll most likely see this as a hate crime, and another black kid killed after being profiled, and no justice.
Right wing, will most likely see it as a self defense, of an attack by a black kid who has been suspended from school, and posts stuff on twitter that their conservative celibate sons and daughters would never post on twitter, and that this should clearly be a clear cut case of self defense based on the "Stand your Ground" Law.
Riley, let's be friends. There's a lot more room in the middle. :)
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 28, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
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I think he always was.
He certainly never looked white.
Who was saying he was white?
About every news agency when this whole thing went out of control.
Zimmerman seriously, from the sound of it, has some sort of superiority complex. Given his past criminal history, it could of all been avoided if he didn't feel like he needed to intervene every time something happened.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 28, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
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The Sanford Police selectively leaked irrelevant, negative information about Martin. The authorities told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days “after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.” There is no evidence that Martin was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death, nor would prior possession of marijuana be a reason for killing him. It’s unclear what the relevance of the leak was, other than to smear Martin. [Orlando Sentinel]
The marijuana stuff is at least somewhat relevant. It's well known that using marijuana causes paranoia in at least some users. If Trayvon was under the influence of marijuana and was being followed by Zimmerman, he may have overreacted and attacked Zimmerman.
Moreover, possession of marijuana is a crime, and if Trayvon had recently been engaged in criminal activity, it's entirely possible that he had the mindset of criminals and those dealing with criminals--was he being followed by a drug dealer or user who wanted to steal his marijuana? An informant?
Who knows. But people involved in criminal activity likely have a different mindset when dealing with the public compared to people not involved in criminal activity, especially activity that is frequently linked to other crimes and violence (e.g., theft of drugs and money that drug dealers and users have, rip offs during drug deals).
Speculative? Absolutely. Highly relevant? Perhaps not.
But let's not pretend that Trayvon's history of marijuana-related suspension has no relevance to this story--it's all part of the mix of trying figure out what happened.
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Gary
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"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 28, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
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The worst thing this kid can be accused of is confronting someone who was stalking him. Apparently, that is an idea foreign to our Republican apologist friends. They are so used to bending over and grabbing their ankles, they think it is the norm.
A scrawny kid had the balls to stand up to a bigger, and armed, thug and he's the one being smeared by the right wing. Classic.
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Gary
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Mar 28, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
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The marijuana stuff is at least somewhat relevant. It's well known that using marijuana causes paranoia in at least some users. If Trayvon was under the influence of marijuana and was being followed by Zimmerman, he may have overreacted and attacked Zimmerman.
That's hilarious on SO many levels!
"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you."
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 28, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
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we know that 90% of black murder victims are murdered by black assailants, and we know that nobody wants to address that issue
Holy crap, is this really true?
If so, the race-card players should take a moment to reflect on this...
While Zimmerman is very likely a kook with a gun who got in over his head,
the "kid" was most certainly knott an angel, despite what the pre-pubescent pic might
lead us to believe.
And it takes 2 to tango...
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 28, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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A scrawny kid had the balls to stand up to a bigger, and armed, thug and he's the one being smeared by the right wing. Classic.
Sadly, this is most likely the case. Unfortunately, one side is making it about race, while the other is trying to dig up trash on the kid to justify shooting him. It's f*cking bullsh*t.
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Gary
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"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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michaeld, this kid should be a hero to the right wing. Instead of waiting for somebody else to do it for him, he took action and stood up for himself. Then a corrupt and evil government screwed him over after he was dead.
In the meantime, there is the case of Trevor Dooley. Dooley, with a handgun tucked into his pants, left his house and crossed the street to a park to tell a kid he couldn't skateboard there. A father playing basketball with his daughter argued with him about that.
Dooley turned and started back to his house. The father went after him, and grabbed him. Dooley shot the father.
The two cases seem similar don't they? The instigator, who was armed, turned away, and then shot in self-defense when confronted.
Yet Dooley is on trial while Zimmerman is free. Isn't that curious? Especially since Dooley is black and the guy he shot is white.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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Yes Hardman, that is the case: Most violent crime is intraracial.
It varies a little bit year to year, but in general, about 90% of blacks murdered were murdered by blacks. About 7-8% of blacks were murdered by a white.
For whites, about 85% were murdered by whites. And about 14% were murdered by whites.
(Differences come from 'unknown' or 'other' victims.)
Keep in mind that the FBI at the national level does not collect victim or offender Hispanic origin data (some states do). So, these number only refer to race (white, black, other in this case). Most Hispanics are white so most Hispanics are going to be found in the white category.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
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A tragic encounter is when you hit a cow on your dirt bike.
Both sides are making it about race.
What happened is --- An adult seems to have stalk, confronted, & shot & killed a juvenile. & the police did nothing until pressured.
Something is way wrong period.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
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Both sides are making it about race.
-which is fućking bullshìt!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
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Agreed Jebus.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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There's something very unsavory about this form of argument. Like justifying rape in the case of short skirts or the like.
OK, two guys got into a beef, one of them is dead. And we don't have all the facts.
Better?
I don't have a dog in this fight, but all the (usual) assumptions make me dizzy.
Since we are making assumptions, I'll assume that Zimmerman called him a "coon" (as you can hear him say on the 911 tape). Or maybe the N-word? Then "the kid" starts beating the crap outta Zimmerman, and he shoots Martn.
Again, two to tango...
It does seem odd that Zimmerman is knott in jail. Can't wait to hear the whole story!
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Gary
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"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
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if this thread isnt proof positive of the media and their abilities to stir the poop
Ron, shouldn't some poop have been stirred here?
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
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Can't wait to hear the whole story!
Agreed, Hardman, but we do have a lot of facts now, the 911 tapes most significantly. None of which make Zimmerman look good, IMO.
If it's OK to shoot someone because they had an empty baggie, I would never have survived HIGH school.
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Gary
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"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 28, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
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Gary,a certain amount Yes,,but NO MORE than the dead counted on the evening news last night.
Couldn't agree with you more, Ron.
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