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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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You're right Survival. We'll leave him this thread to gnaw on like a sacrificial
cow given to the piranhas so the rest of the herd can cross.
The sad part is Rokky brings up valid points with some regularity. He just
can't resist having his buttons pushed. It doesn't say much for the button-pushers either.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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F*#k you, don't bother coming up here any more, we got enough Kali shitheads. We don't want you, we don't respect you and when you are here you ain't at home, so don't ask for a goddamn thing. Stay the f*#k away, you are scummy shitheads that think you can f*#k with a mans land and his life just because you are just SO f*#king SPECIAL.
but tell us what you really think, stop pussyfooting around
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I guess it is time I nuked this luvfest.
There's some pretty valuable input from Rodger (brokedown) and a couple of other folks, so I hope you leave it up. If you could selectively remove RJ's violent homophobic rants it would make the thread more palatable, but what can you do?
The sad part is Rokky brings up valid points with some regularity. He just can't resist having his buttons pushed. It doesn't say much for the button-pushers either.
Yes, he does bring up valuable points, and yes, he should grow up and learn to shrug off the button pushing.
As to the "button pushers", I hope you're not implying that someone should be allowed to spew violent threats and anti-gay hatred without being called on it. It's one thing for Lance to go off the deepend about Kali. His rants on that subject are just more internet stupidity -- kind of funny actually. But when he -- or anyone -- starts spewing hatred against gays, and threating violence, every single one of us should call him on it.
What would you have said if his rant was about "thieving niggers" instead of "thieving faggots"? Or if he was ranting violently against women?
Every time you let someone get away with a violent anti gay, or racist, or anti-woman outburst, you make it easier for someone to beat his wife, or murder a gay or a black (or a white or a brown or a red or...).
Lance (RJ) should be free, like all of us, to talk about idiot Kali wolf-huggers. But he should be banned if he can't keep his homophobia under control.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Rokjox said: "I don't like Kali PEOPLE, I think you are a bunch of thieving faggots who think that your daydreams are so important that you can control the lives of people you have never met, and who want to have NOTHING to do with you, and you have no respect for hard working men and women who are risking the lives of their kids, just letting them play outside in some areas. You bastards are some of the poorest educated I have ever heard of, you guys as a group can't remember an uncomfortable fact for a day."
You need to calm down Lance and stop threatening people you've never met, and get a hold of yourself. The fact that you brand ALL Californians thus speaks ill of you. ALL people form California don't believe that crap, and ALL people from Idaho are not racists and ALL etc etc. Furthermore, a lot of the phantoms you are arguing with don't even live in California.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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I disagree that wolves and people are mutually compatible. In every instance of wolf-human contact in Europe and this country, wolves lose. If you really want to see wolves, go to the zoo. I've tried to be polite, considerate of others here, but it hasn't done any good. So there it is! The wolves have cost me money and nary a dime of compensation. Neither have they cost all the great intellects raving in Kali a red cent. It's one thing to encourage activities without any consequences, but altogether another thing to be on the receiving end.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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you do beautiful work, Ron
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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Ghost,
Fear not the nuke for the reasons you cite.
I do deplore the homophobia. It is not for nothing that I am known
in certain circles as 'Reilly - Queen of the Desert'...
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kennyt
climber
California
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Rokjox is just pissed cause he can't cut it any where but some backwater shitho;e town in Idaho. Get ready he's going to start calling me a faggot Kali.
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kennyt
climber
California
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He was probably the guy you met and then started running in the opposite direction
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kennyt
climber
California
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Cuckoo-cuckoo, thanks for the heads up
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kennyt
climber
California
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That is a good one LOL thank you. Oh and it's Hollywood not hollowood. Birdbrain
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kennyt
climber
California
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Oh, By the way I don't give a sh#t about Wolves. Like the cats better
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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What makes this wolf look different
Photoshop
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Can't you hire one of those gay Latino Kali designer types they put on the Hollowood TV shows to spice up your clothes? kali seems full of them.
Way to paint the barn.
How you manage to consider yourself so much better than others is just beyond me.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I've tried to be polite, considerate of others here, but it hasn't done any good.
You're wrong Rodger. Your reasonable discussions have done a lot of good. Yours is one of the very few voices on this thread that speaks from real experience, and it is important that it be heard.
I might disagree with RJ about the frequency of wolf attacks on humans, and I've spent a lot of time in wilderness wolf country unarmed and alone and never been bothered, but that doesn't mean I think wolves are more important than people, or that wolves should be protected everywhere.
I eat meat. But not feedlot meat. That you, and others like you, work to provide real beef (or lamb or turkeys or goats or whatever) instead of the indefensibly disgusting crap that is sold as "meat" in places like Safeway, is hugely important. And you can't do it if your herds are killed by wolves.
That doesn't mean that all wolves should die any more than the fact that eagles killed some of my friend's turkeys means all eagles should die. But it means there's more to this discussion than people like Rokjox and Mighty Hiker are willing to admit.
Cheers, and keep up the good work.
David
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Remember when considering rj errr, Mr. Lynch's style choices that he asserted himself to be a catcher, NOT a pitcher in the Fan thread devoted to Mr. Chessler.
Just so you keep it straight. Get it, straight....
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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RJ is an adult bully. RJ get some help. This thread is not about wolves anymore; which are wild animals nothing more or less.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jan 30, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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.....the general anti-ranching attitude that appears on all these wolf threads.
As seen below as well, ranchers can't win. http://www.gazette.com/news/sheepdogs-132564-silverton-tourists.html
SILVERTON — Turkish sheepdogs prized for their fierceness are raising concerns they may be a little too tough for the southwest Colorado communities where ranchers are using them.
The Akbash dogs weigh up to 120 pounds and are especially aggressive toward animals near the sheep they guard. But that can include hikers and other backcountry tourists, prompting debate about whether the breed should be regulated.
The Durango Herald reports that Silverton town trustees met last week to discuss Akbash conflictsU.S. Forest Service officials, sheepherders and outdoors enthusiasts have also entered the debate over regulations surrounding the use of the breed.
"We don't need dangerous animals in the backcountry," trustee Karla Safranski said. "It's hard to believe that herd mortality is so high that it warrants these dogs."
Town trustees here have heard from hikers and bicyclists in the Little Molas Lake area who said the sheepdogs intimidate them. The dogs snarl and, according to some reports, chase them. A number of ranchers graze sheep, under guard of herders and dogs, on public lands in the summer and fall.
Sheep ranchers are defending the fierce sheepdogs.
Republican state Rep. J. Paul Brown of Ignacio said he's been around sheep for 40 years.
"We cut our loss to predators by 60 to 70 percent when we introduced dogs," Brown told the newspaper. "One time before that we lost 13 sheep to bears in a single night."
Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/sheepdogs-132564-silverton-tourists...................
...more, click the link.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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"We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes - something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters' paradise."
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