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Fish Finder

Social climber

THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Aug 22, 2011 - 01:55pm PT

Ron,

Please post pictures!!!!!!

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Aug 22, 2011 - 01:57pm PT

Let's all grow up and face the facts of life: the bear was a repeat offender in the area and was doomed at the outset of this incident. It matters not whether the bear could/could not have been tranquilized and "relocated." The bear could not have been "re-educated."

Feeding large carnivores of any ilk is just a BAD IDEA. The real culprit was the person feeding the animal and keeping it bound to the particular neighborhood. We have a growing population and animal/human incidents will become even more commonplace in the future. Our desire to live in "nice places" isn't going to change either.

Dean simply did what was necessary to protect both his loved ones and property from damage/destruction. I would have done the same!!!

survival

Big Wall climber

A Token of My Extreme

Aug 22, 2011 - 02:01pm PT

Had many bears at my house in AK, including a rare brown. Everywhere including my pond, my deck, my grill, my trash can due to be dumped that morning etc.
I fired warning shots and ran them off. Never had one charge me. If that would've happened, it might've been different.

It seems Crag is guilty of nothing except a minor spray infraction and a more serious case of bad pj's......

Fish Finder

Social climber

THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Aug 22, 2011 - 02:08pm PT

I would of done exactly the same thing also.

You just wouldnt know about it.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 22, 2011 - 02:10pm PT

Spray infraction?

Shooting or posting?

Fish Finder

Social climber

THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Aug 22, 2011 - 02:12pm PT

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is funny

Captain...or Skully

climber

or some such

Aug 22, 2011 - 02:34pm PT

Dang, Craggy. I just saw this, as I've been out In The World. Glad to see you & yours are all ok. Fricken bears gone bad, huh?
Yeesh.

nutjob

Gym climber

Berkeley, CA

Aug 22, 2011 - 02:37pm PT

I have close to zero experience with guns, but I can completely imagine being sad about killing it, angry at the circumstances that led to it, and also feeling some sense of triumph in a survival man-versus-nature epic sort of way.

Here's my best bear story from a few weeks ago in Tuolumne Meadows campground. My kids were sleeping in a tent, and I was sleeping under the stars right next to it, my face all burrowed up in the sleeping bag. I woke up in early pre-dawn light to a heavy presence over me, the deep bass sound of huffing and sniffing on my face! I started to scream like the frightened little girl that I felt like, but immediately turned it into an angry roar. I heard it jump back, and within 2 seconds I was on my feet inside the sleeping back. A good sized black bear was staring at me from 20 feet away, with a smaller one about 20 feet beyond. I yelled again and they ran. I have pics of their prints in the mud 6 inches from the head of my sleeping bag. The next night I slept out again, but with a metal pot+lid inside the sleeping bag. I woke up from something nudging my head several times, and started yelling and banging the pots. It was too dark to see anything this time, and I never heard the sniffing. I went into the tent for the rest of that night and the remaining nights.

neebee

Social climber

calif/texas

Aug 22, 2011 - 04:57pm PT

hey there say, nutjob.... whewwww...

glad to hear you and your kids were well, after all this....

on occasions, things can go worse...

thanks for the share....
*our family members have had a few bear encounters, too...
though, far as i know, this was ONLY many years ago, (except for one some years back)...

back before bears were so much bolder than they seem now...

whewww....

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Aug 22, 2011 - 05:43pm PT

Sad story Dean.

People are really stupid about wildlife. Where I live, on the lower slope of the San Gabriel Mountains east of Pasadena bears are regular visitors. Bear proof trash cans are available from the garbage service for a few bucks a year 'till the can is paid for then it's yours, but I am the only one among my neighbors who has one. The local bears regularly raid peoples trash cans up here and mine has some pretty impressive claw marks on it but they haven't got in it yet. These idiots who are too cheap to get the cans live in quite expensive houses. Boneheads.

My impression here is that the bears are getting bolder. Last year a mom and two cubs confronted me out where I keep the trash cans. I don't arm myself to take out the trash, it was a scary moment. She stood up on her hind legs and huffed at me and I backed away slowly heart in mouth. Close enough to smell her foul breath. More recently I had to chase two of the critters out of the garage after I left the door open for a minute. Again I was not armed but agressive behavior on my part convinced them to move on.

I never ever leave a door open to the house even for a minute. A lady just up the hill had one enter her kitchen through a screen door. She ran out and the bear destroyed the kitchen.

If a bear ever gets in my house or it looks to me like it is about to be succesful at entry it's a goner.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 22, 2011 - 05:52pm PT

Am I the only person who is stocked up on 12 bore rubber buckshot and flats?

Contrary to a few posts it is possible to teach bears that people are to be avoided.

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Aug 22, 2011 - 06:03pm PT

Am I the only person who is stocked up on 12 bore rubber buckshot and flats?

That's a great point. But if the bear is in my house a blast of rubber buckshot is only going to freak it out, piss it off and lead to a real mess. Will a freaked out po'd bear find its way out the way it came in? And if I start discharging a 12 ga every time one strolls through my yard here I'm going to get very familiar with the local hoosegow.

Interestingly the next town east from here, Duarte, passed an ordinace permitting home owners in a district adjoining the National Forest land to shoot at bears on their property. The rubber ammo would be a great "teacher" in that situation.

edit: If the bear was halfway through a window it might be worth a try, but the next shell in the tube is going to be a rifled slug.

The reel deel

Boulder climber

Nunya

Aug 22, 2011 - 06:28pm PT

It's a damn shame that bear didn't get you first. One less pile the world would have to deal with.

Poor bear....

Gene

climber

Aug 22, 2011 - 06:44pm PT

The reel deel,

You sure went to a lot of effort to create a new account so you could show your stupidity.

g

Crimpergirl

Sport climber

Boulder, Colorado!

Aug 22, 2011 - 06:50pm PT

I did shoot the bear on my back porch several times. Did not go outside until he got off the porch, then I blasted away - with the camera. :)

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 22, 2011 - 06:53pm PT

Ah but Crimpie,
were you in your PJs?

Ksolem,
talk to the cops. Show them how light the shells are. Offer to stand 120m downrange and take a few to your back (don't worry the flats are worthless beyond 80-90m).

You might be surprised. They might see both the benefit and the safety of you hazing bears that get close to dwellings.

I'm also assuming you know how to short load a magazine so that you can quickly slide in some lead and eject the rubber in the chamber, the same way they teach tactical shotgunners to throw in a slug for a long shot.

If not, this is not the place to learn. Take a course.

apogee

climber

Aug 22, 2011 - 06:57pm PT

"If that were Crimpergirl posing up behind the bear, don't tell me you guys wouldn't be all supportive, behind her 100%, high-fivin' the thread, etc.. "

Yeah, there'd probably be less noise, mainly because CG doesn't have the underlying 'look at me! look at me!' vibe going on most every time she posts, and she doesn't have a tendency to deride anyone who isn't 'of her kind'. There's a difference.