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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:39pm PT
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Ever read the Muslim Brotherhood charter???
Fatty's right here...they want to spread sharia under the guise of 'mutual tolerance'. They do not mean well.
EDIT: Hit me, Matt....
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:43pm PT
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Copts make up about 10% of Egypt's population of 80 million. A Coptic church in Alexandria was bombed on January 1st, 2011. 21 people died. It appears that the attack was by a Muslim extremist group. As a result, there have been substantial protests in Egypt and elsewhere, not just by Copts but by many other Egyptians, to express their support for the Copts. Those demonstrations of solidarity appear to be one root of the current wider demonstrations against the government.
Except if you go through the looking glass into FattyLand.
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Brokedownclimber
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Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:44pm PT
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I do have serious reservations against religious meddlers in politics. It seems however, that the primary opposition to El Baradei would be Israel.
Face facts: sooner or later Iran WILL get the bomb, if they don't already have it. Pakistan has the "Islamic Bomb." Ever since the Crusades, the war between militant Islam and the traditional Christian West/Judaism has been raging; now that Islamic countries are wealthy the wars are escalating.
I think that "wait and see, only time will tell" is the best approach here.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:50pm PT
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sooner or later Iran WILL get the bomb, if they don't already have it.
But hte question is WHO will control it? Crazy Aqmed-in-a-jihad, or some other more noble ruler??? That is the question!
This whole wait-and-see crap is BS in my opinion. Tell that to the japs in Nagasaki or the jews going through the gates of Dachau.
Never forget. And learn from your history.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:51pm PT
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No Bluering, Anders is saying Egyptians prefer a more egalitarian society.
And of course the corruption of Mubarak is a top concern.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:52pm PT
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Matt, the Egyptian "people" are the ones persecuting the f*#king Copts!!! Are you stupid? I know you ain't so you must be just trolling. Stop it. This is a serious discussion!@!
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:56pm PT
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January 4th: As protesters marched through downtown Cairo toward Talat Harb Square, where they were vastly outnumbered by riot police officers in black uniforms wielding truncheons, they chanted “Down with Mubarak” and “Down with the military state.” But they also carried signs with slogans like, “Egyptians are one people” and “Citizenship is the way out from the slide into sectarianism.”
This attack has so shaken the nation that for the first time in recent memory, there has been a torrent of support for the Christian community within the national news media — and a direct challenge to the government’s narrative, which tends to overlook the tense backdrop of interfaith relations. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/04/world/middleeast/04egypt.html?scp=3&sq=egypt%20copts%20vigil&st=cse
This contradicts the simplistic, agenda-driven accounts promoted by others. Certainly not all Egyptians, particularly Muslim Egyptians, actively or passively support their Coptic community. Some are opposed, even violently. Egypt is a country of 80 million, with major problems - although it has had substantial economic growth the last few years. It is a far more complex and nuanced place than some suggest.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 04:56pm PT
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Monolith, good points. But before you depose somebody, you have to have a leader to replace him. One who meets you 'righteous code of ethics'. Who is that???
Do we, the hypocrites, have the same thing here??? And yet we ask it of 2nd world countries.
Amazing.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 05:03pm PT
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Their system did not allow for the choice of the people. Their only choice now is to break the system. If the system is replaced by someone/something they don't want, the protests will continue.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 05:18pm PT
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Their only choice now is to break the system. If the system is replaced by someone/something they don't want, the protests will continue.
Not necessarily. It could go all IRAN. That is a big gamble. Was it really so bad before? By ME standards? I don't think it was.
Maybe they're ready for the jump from 2nd to 1st world nation status. I'm just sayin' ya gotta be careful. This is the head of the Muslim Brotherhood nation. Things can go bad quickly.
And remember this. When we start bombing these f*#kers when sh#t goes bad, remember where you stood.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2011 - 07:11pm PT
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US asking all Americans to leave Egypt
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 30, 2011 - 07:24pm PT
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The US is not a theocracy and the fact some people killed some cryptic christians in Egypt has nothing at all to do with the US.
Why does the US vs. THEM crowd never fight their own fights?
Huh?
Tell ya what? If you feel the coptic christians of Egypt are getting a bad shake, get your ass over there and do something about it. Otherwise, stfu about it.
Hey Dingus, ever hear of a band called the Nazis? This is a religious war.
You can turn a blind eye, like so many dud, or you can remember history. Not even the Nasties in all their glory of killing priests unt Juden. Go back further.
This may be a clash as Fatty alaways points out, sorry to say.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 30, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
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The meddlers here haven't learned a damned thing from history.
Our meddling in Iran in 1953 STILL has repercussions today. Sh#t like that is why there is a lot of animosity to the U.S.: not some bullshit C of C idea.
We need to mostly GTFO.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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If it turns any uglier, well so be it.
Let's sit this one out and get our own house in order. We can no longer be the World's Policeman! Not that we ever should have tried, either.
We need to STFO!
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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Tami-
I recall Sean Connery is Irish!
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 30, 2011 - 08:48pm PT
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Nope, Scottish.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jan 30, 2011 - 09:44pm PT
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Lots of Americans stranded in Cairo. Airport closed early due to curfew.
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Jeremy Handren
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NV
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Jan 30, 2011 - 10:43pm PT
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"Just back from the mall with my daughter. After years of trying, found "The Wind and The Lion" on DVD, hmmmmm, I know it's a bit fictionalized, but the reality is the western powers (US included) have been replacing monarchs in the ME since 1906."
Absolutely right Fattidiot, the welfare of the peoples of the Arab world has been the top priority of the American government for nearly a century. Hell, when they democratically elected the wrong guy in Iran in 1953 we even booted him out for them and put the right guy in his place.....how nice of us was that?....
Lets face it, them's A-rabs is just freedom hating ingrates...
and that Fattrads as dumb as a post.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 30, 2011 - 10:52pm PT
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Three hours ago. The UK has not yet begun charter flights.
Charter flights to carry thousands of Americans out of Egypt
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 30, 2011 -- Updated 2325 GMT (0725 HKT)
Charter flights will begin Monday to ferry the first of many Americans away from the escalating crisis in Egypt.
U.S. Department of State
Washington (CNN) -- Charter flights that begin Monday will ferry the first of thousands of Americans away from the escalating crisis in Egypt, the State Department said.
"We will keep running the charter flights until we get [all] people out," said Assistant Secretary of State Janice L. Jacobs.
Relatives back home in the United States are relaying needed information to those trying to get out of Cairo, Alexandria, Luxor and other cities, she said. Internet service is down in most of Egypt and frustrated travelers have had to find other ways to get information.
"Lack of internet access makes our job more difficult," Jacobs said.
The State Department has established telephone numbers and an e-mail address for "understandably worried" Americans in Egypt and loved ones to communicate with the U.S. Embassy, she said.
The State Department is sending additional employees to Egypt and the "safe haven" locations in Europe to assist in the effort, Jacobs said Sunday.
Officials are looking at Istanbul, Turkey; Nicosia, Cyprus; and Athens, Greece, as possible destinations, although the list was not finalized Sunday afternoon, said Jacobs, who oversees consular affairs.
Government dependents and nonessential employees will be among the first to go, although any private U.S. citizen who chooses to leave will get out during the week, she added.
Those private citizens who do fly a charter will have to reimburse the government for the ticket and must make his or her own plans for further travel once they reach a "safe haven," Jacobs said.
Officials don't expect to need assistance from the U.S. military.
Travelers in Cairo and elsewhere have been upset by their lack of access to information and, in some cases, a live person on the phone.
The staff of the Cairo Embassy has been overwhelmed by inquiries and the State Department has a 24-7 task force and call centers, said Jacobs, adding that radio and TV, along with websites and telephones, are being utilized to provide travel updates.
The government is asking family members in the United States to continue assisting in the effort.
"That seems to be working pretty well," she said.
Jacobs advised Americans not to swamp the Cairo airport, which is open but is seeing more flight cancellations.
Travelers, if they have a commercial airline ticket, should continue working with their carrier on getting out, Jacobs said.
The U.S. Embassy has advised Americans in Egypt to limit their movements, avoid protests and use taxis when possible to reach the airport. Travelers should arrive in plenty of time and obey the hours of the curfew, which may be lengthened.
"We have a short window of time to operate these flights," the official said.
When asked about efforts to assist Americans in Alexandria, Luxor and other cities outside Cairo, Jacobs said the government is trying to get information to them and might considering flying charters out of areas with large pockets of citizens who cannot get to Cairo. About 100 Americans are stranded in Luxor.
Laura Murphy, who is on a stranded Nile River tour, told CNN that the ship's captain has anchored the boat in Luxor after being warned against docking at any of the stops along the Nile because those areas may be unsafe for tourists.
Murphy said two men with plane tickets to Cairo were stuck in Luxor because the plane never showed up.
"You cannot get away by water. You cannot take public transportation because it is unsafe and you cannot fly," Murphy said. "I'm safe but trapped."
Other countries, including Turkey, already have begun to fly out their citizens.
The State Department's charter flights will give first priority to Americans, Jacobs said.
"If there are seats available, we can make those available to other citizens," she said.
The State Department advises people interested in taking a charter flight out of Egypt to send an e-mail to EgyptEmergencyUSC@state.gov or call 202-501-4444. Relatives concerned that their loved one in Egypt may require help can use the same e-mail address and the same number if they are outside the United States or Canada. Those in the United States or Canada can call toll-free at 1-888-407-4747.
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