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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Feb 27, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
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Well said Patrick--heeded.
Jaybro, I have no problem with having my full name on the internet publicly, but round here were know as: moj, ede, Tkings, PKingsbury, etc...
Tom uses my first and nick name frequently to break up the monotony of blog/forum posts, and it's understood that way.
Not sure what you're intent on doing that was ?
edit: If we all were to be in one place together (say the Batholith)--P and J would be hanging around PP, TK and KK are off and about, and the Moj4 here and there. After that, climbing ensues and we depart separate ways. Pretty simple--dam internet screws up communication
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 27, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
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Now Moj, don't you think you owe someone else here an apology for the mean things you said about her (and her car)?
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
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Yeah, and it hurt my feelings that you said that this thread was started by a Black Hills climber as if it were a bad thing.
I will have you know that I lived two miles from the Montana border at one time. Some beautiful rock in the long pines.
As it goes I think I have met all of you and you all seem like great peeps.
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P.Kingsbury
Trad climber
the jeep
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Feb 28, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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Hey Hutch,
I must have missed some of your crudest posts that you made. (and my above post had zero effect on you)
First off and for the record, Pamela has established some of the hardest offwidths anywhere. Gabriel, is considered only second to Century Crack in the world of wide in terms of difficulty and was confirmed by both Tom and Pete. (even upgraded!) Simply put, its a masterpeice and damn right she should have someone there to document it. She's not claiming the first free ascent of some route that was ALMOST sent on top rope, like you have done in more than a few different areas around Montana.
Second, a BMW?! Its a jeep and she owns it. She has a difficult job in Alaska that not many people anywhere could handle, and guess what? it pays well. I am sure its a bit more difficult than smoking pot in your basement while your bread winning wife goes to work everyday to support you and your kids.
Third, leg humping?! Its called a partnership. I think we call what you do STALKING and your horse sh#t has gone to far.
You're a grown ass man, with a wife and kids, don't you think you should start acting like one?
What would your reaction be if some random person starting posting sh#t like this about your wife or daughter?
I thought we were friends, but with the sh#t you repeatedly post on here, we're not.
Delete your sh#t and appologize like a man.
Patrick
edit: I didn't want to resort to the bashing and sink to your level, hence the earlier post that didn't work, but feel its the only way for you to get my point.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2012 - 01:50am PT
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Never had to wait in line in Montana. I think a lot of people are paranoid about the oncoming throngs, but most people aren't willing to travel that far or suffer enough to get the good stuff no matter how much you talk about it.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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No apologies coming from my husband, he says he mind as he sees it and gets attacked, oh well, nothing new round here it seems. My take is that Pat and Pam borrowed his wide gear, destroyed a piece (a big-bro?) on a "famous hard-climb" by hammering the gear in place, is this the norm? Do most climbers replace broken/lost gear that is borrowed, seems pretty standard to me?
He has all of the friends he needs, he's petty but at least he faces it and deals.
Don't Pro sponsored climbers get free gear anyway? What's the deal on that?
Molly
Edit: I remember the night he came home from Veedavoo? --Pam had already started in on him and Tom for spraying and selling out, things like that. First time he met her, was with her stalker in tow, Pat was the suitor not the stalker, and the vibes just got worse..
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Oh Ouch you guys! I hope you stomp out this little wrinkle of friction. Kevin has only talked great stuff about both Kingsburys and told me just how nice they really are. I looked upthread and it doesn't look all that viscious to me; perhaps some of the thread is missing though.
You know it can be tough Pat too, dealing with an economy like Butte for some of us ol dads, when the gal has the degree with the good job. Major commitment there to both the kids and the family and that's a choice, probably a better one than just going out and getting a job for the sake of a job.
Peace on the rock,
Arne
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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decipher and solve the problem--do not complain about the problem and its difficulty...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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If Pat (remember, you said he was the Montanan) borrowed a tube from you and beat it with a hammer ( as he talked about on the taco) shouldn't you talk to him about it? You have his phone number, why bring it up on a forum?
The Bros have been out of production due to the death of the manufacturer, Pamela has been buying them for full price like everyone .
Edit; and whoever was really speaking in that last mojede post, y'all got an acid tongue, yikes!
Talk about slander!
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P.Kingsbury
Trad climber
the jeep
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i forgot about the bro and even had $$ for you last time i was in montana, you should have just said something or called and asked rather than go on a 10 post bender of slander and hate. this isn't something i wouldn't have expected from you. times can be tough though and i realize that every penny counts. i texted you for account info, but got no reply. i just transfered tom 100 dollars (20 more than a tube costs for your troubles) and im sure he can get it to you this weekend.
my fault for forgetting and sorry that you felt that online slander about Pam and I was the only way to get your cash.
Patrick
ps. for the record, i borrowed and i hammered the tube while projecting. It was the first piece on the route, the spring didn't work and it was sketchy. it was an iffy placement and if it failed, a 15' header onto a slab would occur. hate me dude, not her.
Pamela has never posted ANYTHING negative about you online EVER. The thing about about you guys posting, was Pam was trying to help Tom sell his pictures (of Spatial) and if they go online you don't get paid, thats all.
edit: sorry your thread got hijacked and killed mike. i was planning on never posting on this site again due to bullshit like this.
double edit: guess who the #1 stalker is nowdays?
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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But you're here now Pat and your site contributions in the past have been most welcomed, as well as Toms & Hutch's. It was mentioned that internet communication is usually off-based and prolly the case here as well.
Why don't you all get another Montana Bash going this summer and let's pull down on the rock and the bottle. If it's not too late. If someone retracted their friendship with me over a conflict not involving life or death, I'd guess they never were a friend in the first place as friendships go deeper than that. Whatever, I'm an outsider and it's none o my business anyway.
Arne Boveng
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
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Thanks Pat. Its just the internet. You guys got so much good stuff over in MT with so few people it seems too good. I really appreciate the contributions all you guys have made.
Climbing is a funny game with strong personalities. I have fought with my own family more than once about stupid crap like this, but we always come around after a while. I hope you guys do too.
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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It is an appreciation thread about climbing, so here is my twist.
These three boulderers, two brothers and a friend, worked their butts off a couple years ago to put together a little shin dig for a few dozen lurkers, such as myself. The climbing consisted of lazy late starts, to wander around the pipestone pass area and boulder some of the finest choss Montana has. All the pebble wrestling was uber fun, even though that is my least favorite kind of climbing. Personal type tour of their finest lines and the whole area.
The introduction day was fun, but allowed many a Supertopo stranger to meet and partner up for longer classic lines not to far out, and if memory serves there were at least three carloads of enthusiasts taking a shortcut up to some of the best lines in semidistant area, all complements of these three, and maybe more locals. Laughter and lies abounded, freindships made, and fun climbing ensued. When the bigger party returned to the free camping in the primitive setting, all were greated by an extra hundred or so of the finest friends of the locals,oh, and live music to boot. I only wish I could have spent more time with them all.
And then there is this Pat character, and he is a character even though he is quite humble and quiet. I first met him at Devils Tower one evening, he and his dirtbagging partner, sitting aroud a picnic table looking for the free camping nearby. After exchanging stories of the days climbing, he learned of an abandoned bail anchor from me due to thunderstorm and weak as_ partner. I warned them of the bail anchor as bootied not to be trusted gear, and also let them know it was booty, for the finders. The next evening after another long day out, I was more than supprised to see the entire anchor, slings and all stuck under our wiper blade at the parking lot. Guys so honest and good, they wouldn't even take free gear, if they knew how to get it "home", even though I told them it was there for the taking.
The next time I see these two happy climbing bums, was at the Taco event, and lo and behold, it wasn't just them, but the whole gang is just the same as this Patrick character. Did I mention, he has this sick liking for the wide and squeeze, sweating and bleeding?
Met some wives and children, some laid up friends, some new lifelong friends, and some pretty dedicated folks. Cannot remember meeting any but_heads in the bunch. Hmm, I wonder why that is?
Any whoooo, that is my aprreciation of Mt. climbing and the fellers who contribute tons to the Taco and their own area. Pretty dang good people. I cannot say that about most of the other many crags I have been to here. I am astounded by the many of hundreds of gumby likes I run across while climbing at many of the other Montana crags. The Batholith crew is top of the line for sure. My hat is off to them, and door always open for any one of them. Loan any of them gear I currently do not have a need for, anytime. Give them a place to crash, a free meal, shower whatever.
Burly Bob
aka a local resident of a little further northwest of them.
Ps. I never thought too much about people bringing their dogs to the crags, especially remote ones, and leaving them unattended at the base while out for a few pitches. The crew also change my thinking on this. Love Kurts climbing partners, and he isn't so bad himself.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Rumi - There is a field
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
and rightdoing there is a field.
I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass
the world is too full to talk about.
Rumi
Does anyone have directions to this place yet? I'll meet you there.
The real mojede
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Primo!
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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May 11, 2012 - 10:05am PT
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It's all about the support for us stuck here...
Thin crack to top-out
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Hard Rock
Trad climber
Montana
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May 11, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
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Kevin - If you look at the number of body lengths that Ladd is above the ground - he is up there. A couple of more years and you won't have to tie into the sharp end anymore.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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May 11, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
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Patrick Odenbeck's comment after Ladd sent was, "Dude, that would be like a 50 foot boulder problem for me!"
:-)
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