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SFC
Trad climber
San Jose
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Oct 12, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
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Healye,
OK, so I guess the "vapor" trails are coming from the "flap-track hinge fairings".
And Wonder,
Can you post some evidence supporting this faked video?
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Oct 12, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
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Just say no to infowars, prisonplanet, or anything Alex Jones.
Your fears are just being pandered to.
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jeff_m
climber
somewhere fairly insignificant
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Oct 12, 2010 - 01:31pm PT
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Just so I'm clear, let's take the basic kerosene combustion equation:
C12H26(l) + 37/2 O2(g) → 12 CO2(g) + 13 H2O(g)
Yes, looks to be pretty basic water and carbon dioxide that would form your old-school contrails.
Now let's add any of the following (these are the increased additives introduced into jet fuel in the last 30 years, give or take):
* Antioxidants to prevent gumming, usually based on alkylated phenols, e.g., AO-30, AO-31, or AO-37;
* Antistatic agents, to dissipate static electricity and prevent sparking; Stadis 450, with dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid (DINNSA) as the active ingredient, is an example
* Corrosion inhibitors, e.g., DCI-4A used for civilian and military fuels, and DCI-6A used for military fuels;
* Fuel System Icing Inhibitor (FSII) agents, e.g., Di-EGME; FSII is often mixed at the point-of-sale so that users with heated fuel lines do not have to pay the extra expense.
* Biocides are to remediate microbial (i.e., bacterial and fungal) growth present in aircraft fuel systems. Currently, two biocides are approved for use by most aircraft and turbine engine original equipment manufacturers (OEMs); Kathon FP1.5 Microbiocide and Biobor JF.[8]
* Metal deactivator can be added to remediate the deleterious effects of trace metals on the thermal stability of the fuel. The one allowable additive is N,N’-disalicylidene 1,2-propanediamine.
I'm kind of thinking that perhaps---and this is a major stretch---that the addition of, say, just N,N’-disalicylidene 1,2-propanediamine (C16H16N2O2) might phuck the combustion equation a bit and perhaps you may end up with chemical compounds beyond just the good ol' H2O & CO2, and perhaps that aerial residue may just hang around and react a bit more in the atmosphere.
(And how come no one's mentioned those Vandenburg launches where the contrails----sorry, I mean new-world-order-sanctioned chemtrails---not only last most of the evening, but glow in all kinds of groovy rainbow colors?)
Other than that, I'm behind you 100%.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 12, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
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If you live in LA and want to worry about something then I'd worry more about the exhaust pipe in front of you and any lawn mowers you pass as you're driving.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 12, 2010 - 02:12pm PT
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alieniemisteri
2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show hide
l'autore del filmato ha pubblicamente dichiarato che si tratta di uno scherzo per i creduloni:
The truth is, the video is real and unedited but the title was created to poke fun at the chemtrail people.
All this video shows is a couple of KC-10's flying in formation. When I saw the contrails coming from the lead KC-10 I pulled out my video camera knowing I was going to pull this prank and the pilots played along.
So there you have it. It's just a prank on all the chemtrailers.
sorry,
-Tim
alieniemisteri 2 months ago"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKO7bkUU_oI&feature=related
thats really not arasol spraying - This is ... outside my shop I took this photo this morning.
If you just watch the sky more that your monitor screen you might realize that there's alot of monkey business going on up there.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 12, 2010 - 02:15pm PT
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That's your run of the mill contrail, not a chemtrail.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 12, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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Were you outside my shop watching the plane spraying it?
Then you don't know what it is. For sure. Do you?
Edit: and I never said it was a chemtrail.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 12, 2010 - 02:21pm PT
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Right - give me a break. As if from your shop you have a remote clue that it is anything but a completely normal contrail.
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jeff_m
climber
somewhere fairly insignificant
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Oct 12, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
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Okay, since we're posting pictures, let's bring it back within the confines of the climbing community. Maybe someone wants to fill me in on the facts of this "event."
While climbing Russell (yes, climbing, go figure), I saw this:
Here are the culprits (zoomed in):
Later that day, I was fatigued. I'm guessing it was whatever they were spraying...
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 12, 2010 - 02:33pm PT
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I do have a clue You see I live by Boeing air port And I watch the planes all day long and I do know the difference between arasol spraying and a contrail.
Here's a photo of a contrail. Not a very clear photo. but you can see the difference between the 2. Anyways if you dont want to do your homework I'm not here to rock your world.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:14pm PT
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It's not a chemtrail but it is a trail.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:15pm PT
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Why does no pseudo legitimate organization create similar detailed analysis about dickheads who constantly post apocalyptic bullshit on the internet?
Must be a conspiracy.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:17pm PT
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A conspiracy of rational people.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:18pm PT
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Rationality has NO place in a post-technological society.
Let's go burn a witch!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
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Why does no pseudo legitimate organization create similar detailed analysis about dickheads who constantly post apocalyptic bullshit on the internet? People like Klimmer leave rather obvious trails, after all.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
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Yes, but his chemtrail residue is messing with the flouride in my water.
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pedge
Trad climber
SW
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:35pm PT
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At least they are doing something. People are always complaining about the government wasting money and sitting around not getting anything done. The successful introduction of mind control drugs into our air by tainting all of our jet fuel supply shows great ingenuity and a lot of hard work. Apparently the average lifespan in the US is declining, so those guys are getting it done. Why would anyone complain about that?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 12, 2010 - 04:46pm PT
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The successful introduction of mind control drugs into our air by tainting all of our jet fuel supply shows great ingenuity and a lot of hard work.
Well, if the spray on ST and cascadeclimbers is any indication they're doing a piss-poor job of it. You'd think if anyone in power were doing these sorts of things for real then a high-profile guy like klimmer who's around a bunch of school kids would have gotten an umbrella jab in the leg a long time ago. But, hell, he hasn't even been tazed.
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