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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Full Silos of Iowa

Aug 10, 2010 - 09:45pm PT

Tony, are you incapable of assimilating a new word? if not for a lifetime, how about for just a conversation? And if you don't like a new word, a neologism, just substitute any old symbol for it then. Umm, how about XY or HY or HY1000. Is that more comfortable? Or, how about #$#. Aferall, words are just symbols. -Which a smarty like you already knows. Right?

So lets try it out:

HY1000: (a) the study of phenomena, any phenomena, that isn't obedient to physics and chemistry (b) such phenomena; Usage: HY1000 is bogus. As bogus as astrology.

Yeah, that's better. [\sarcasm]

What's more: You could've just not bumped this ridiculous thread, too.
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Now here's a thought: Among other things, you are also an obstructionist to attempts at a creative push to get past long-term stagnancies. Proud of that you are. I want to thank you for the practice. The practice of dealing with this type of person.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Full Silos of Iowa

Aug 10, 2010 - 09:48pm PT

Post up, Scarface, put your thoughts were your pointed finger is.

scarface

Trad climber

Aug 10, 2010 - 09:54pm PT

Corn sugar,

Do you live here? You need to get out and observe the world. Your pontification is quite limiting.

All good science starts with observation. You are a preacher. You pontificate. You live in a self made prison cell of rationalizations I'm afraid. People like you drop bombs on places like Nagasaki.

SF

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Full Silos of Iowa

Aug 10, 2010 - 09:56pm PT

Better post something substantive, I'm quickly losing interest in you. Call me on my b.s. or go away. Wait, is this Klimmer? You troll!

Now I'm thinking Scarface=Klimmer. LOL!

scarface

Trad climber

Aug 10, 2010 - 10:03pm PT

Corn,

You don't mind if I call you Corn do you? You sure enjoy barking out orders. Was Jim Jones your cousin? Klimmer I'm not. I've made my living in Science and you are a poser.

SF

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Aug 10, 2010 - 10:09pm PT

I am more fond of Fructose as his given name.

Corn just seems so agricultural.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Aug 10, 2010 - 10:10pm PT

The entity known as LEB: Remember, there was a time when the hard core "scientists" of the day thought the sun and the rest of the universe evolved around the sun.

The mind boggles, as do historians. Galileo rolls in his grave.

So as to make another futile contribution to the education of LEB, I wish to point out that it was hard-core Catholic theologians who insisted that the universe, including the Sun, revolved around the Earth. (Not "evolve" around the Sun.) And it was hard-core scientists, such as Tycho Brahe, Galileo Galilei and others, who in the 16th and 17th centuries insisted that the solar system was heliocentric - at their peril.

But did you know that Florence Nightingale discovered penicillin?

scarface

Trad climber

Aug 10, 2010 - 10:37pm PT

I was wondering when Corn's alter ego would show up. For those who don't know Pate = Corn.

Get a life Pate. You are vile.

SF

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Full Silos of Iowa

Aug 10, 2010 - 10:41pm PT

Pate, he is so Klimmer. Or at least he's playing Klimmer. LOL! I'm thinking of a few here at the fire who might be able to pull it off. (I wonder how he spells seperate. He used to call me corn sugar, too.)

Hey, cool to read your posts on the cemetery thread. When I come East, I want to check that out, too.

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Mighty Hiker, point well taken. At least by some of us.

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Scar- You're a troll. Like Klimmer, you'll get no more conversations from me in the second person. Sorry, you're not worth my time.

scarface

Trad climber

Aug 10, 2010 - 10:45pm PT

Damn! Both Pate and Corn's reality is here on the Taco. This is sad.

SF

edit: what is the sound of Corn and Pate not posting? I don't quite know, but a hint of it sure is sweet.

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:00pm PT

LEB's observation was awkwardly phrased but not incorrect. Gallileo did believe the standard explanation which went back to Aristotle by the way - long before the Catholic Church - until he began to wonder if it was correct, and then investigated for himself. He changed his mind based on his observations. Paradigm-curiosity-doubt-observation-new paradigm.

Educated people who believe in the paranormal in my experience, follow the same path. Unless a person has had a very specific religious training, most of us have grown up in a rational and scientific world where we were told such things did not exist. Then we observed something that did not fit the rational model and began to ask questions which led us to discover that other educated rational people had these experiences also. We came to accept that something is going on for which there are no current explanations. Paradigm-curiosity-doubt-observation-new paradigm.

Since the scientific establishment is so hostile to any new paradigm along these lines, most of us just keep quiet about it. We do know the history of scientists being persecuted for their ideas and acknowledge the Inquisition as being part of the reason they have such strong feelings about it.

Persecution of scientists did not make science go away and persecution of people who have experienced the paranormal will not make paranormal experiences go away either.Persecution always strengthens the belief system of the persecuted.

One then has to ask why people like fructose are intent on creating another alienated and hostile group in our society? Perhaps he secretly sees himself as a new Grand Inquisitor or is he hoping for a holy war or a crusade with him leading the charge?

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Full Silos of Iowa

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:04pm PT

Yeah, that's it Jan. LOL!
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Wait, could Jan be Scarface?
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In the past: Eukaryotes were eager to separate from prokaryotes.
In the present: Naturalists are eager to separate from supernaturalists.
It's called evolution. Or, perhaps better, the evolutionary urge.

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Remember, if there wasn't any divisiveness in our world, we'd all still be amoeba in the pond scum. It's the way of the world. Sad, I know, as it does have its growing pains.

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I'm repulsed by male-on-male smooching. (Although I am "for" those who roll that way.) I'm repulsed by supernaturalism (in different terms, supernatural hyperionics, also ghost hyperionics, paranormal hyperionics). What more can i say, it's in my makeup. ;)

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I know, let's preserve it for the public record:

Jan wrote-
"One then has to ask why people like fructose are intent on creating another alienated and hostile group in our society? Perhaps he secretly sees himself as a new Grand Inquisitor or is he hoping for a holy war or a crusade with him leading the charge?"

scarface

Trad climber

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:11pm PT

if there wasn't any divisiveness in our world, we'd all still be amoeba in the pondscum.

Complete BS from someone who lives exclusively in his/her head.

SF

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:16pm PT

I've lived in the premiere climbing area of the world for decades and I climb all the time.

Yet I have never seen anyone climb a 5.14.

I don't think they exist!

scarface

Trad climber

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:17pm PT

Pate,

You do have a big bark but I picture you more as a hyperactive toy poodle. Sorry, I just call them as I see them.

SF

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Full Silos of Iowa

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:23pm PT

Karl, have you any idea the can of worms, or cans of worms, any wider acceptance of paranormal forces (aka hyperionic powers) would open up? Have you thought that through, really?

"Oh, she said she saw a ghost picking at the o-ring of the booster on the Challenger just before launch."

"It wasn't Satan that directed the knife but a semi-transparent demon."

"I swear Mommy, it wasn't my thought. The evil man next door planted the thought in my head. But I can't explain it, please believe me, I couldn't control it."

Be careful what you wish for.

scarface

Trad climber

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:30pm PT

Corn,

Do you mean hyperironic that you live on the net?

SF

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Full Silos of Iowa

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:40pm PT

Paranormal forces (poltergeists, channeling, etc.) if they existed would be an anathema if not a total deal-breaker to problem solving, complex problem solving esp. So thank goodness, thank the cosmos. -Because they don't exist.

The world is intelligible. It's the business of science to work through it, to figure out how the world works.

Unfortunately, in the process, it rolls over the cherished, time-honored beliefs of many. That's what's happening here.

Astrology is bronze age ignorance.
Hyperionics (belief in paranormal forces) is bronze age ignorance.

Tony Bird

climber

Northridge, CA

Aug 10, 2010 - 11:48pm PT

interesting suggestion, pate = corn. i tend to doubt it because corn hasn't invented any words about nun bondage. they seem distinct personalities. on the other hand, they say advanced schizophrenia is like that.

the noisy boys have succeeded to drive off most of the posters, too bad. we were getting some interesting material here. it doesn't take much to bring it out. this stuff is ubiquitous. unfortunately, it doesn't take much to scare it off either.

jan and lois are pretty stalwart women, and lois isn't even a climber.

jan, did you look at the thelma moss material i sent you awhile back?

karl, i also prefer to think that they don't exist. i could also do without the existence of 5.12s and 5.13s.