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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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May 29, 2010 - 07:47pm PT
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T*R-
You are really OUT OF LINE with your attitude here! I worked nearly half of my life to save and then buy a place in the mountains for my own enjoyment and interests. What I do with my own land is really MY BUSINESS. I'm only making valid observations of what has happened in the 15 years since I've been there. Yeah, I grew up in Denver, and I couldn't live there now; too many people. I enjoy the solitude and until recently, the low-stress life out in the hills.
I live where I live by choice.
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4thclasstrad
Gym climber
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May 29, 2010 - 10:23pm PT
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T*R,
You are a child, and I don't mean that in a complimentary way.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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May 29, 2010 - 10:45pm PT
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Aerial Wolf Gunning: 101
Directive: wolves must be killed to protect human food sources.
From an airplane:
Shoot the wolf.
Circle around and shoot its corpse to make sure its dead and not suffering.
Repeat as needed until you must land and refuel.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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May 29, 2010 - 11:16pm PT
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Tr*- I always enjoy your positive input- but in this case your passion appears to be outstripping your common sense. Disagreement is no excuse for rudeness.
Edit: I know, none of my f*#king biz
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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May 30, 2010 - 12:01am PT
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t*r!
I have tried to keep my posts on this thread as factual and dispassionate as possible, and tried to avoid personal attacks and smears. Everything I have reported can be substantiated. I have reported attacks by wolves on MY livestock, my NEIGHBORS livestock, and the general sentiment of the ranch community.
IMHO, your attacks on my character reflect badly only on YOU as an absolute immature loser of the rational arguments presented.
Grow up or shut up.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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May 30, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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why are you raising livestock in the wolves' natural habitat? duh, of course you're going to lose some stock. if you were smart you would stop complaining here but maybe if you weren't a transplant to the rural lifestyle you'd know better than to run your mouth. let me guess, you went straight from mommy and daddy to college to a professional job and your whole life, if you've really made a stink about something you've always gotten what you want. you're obviously not born and bred in the country. if you really want to do something about it you would do what other settlers do: shoot, shovel, and shutup. or you could just accept that you're invading a wild animal's territory and understand that you're going to have some loss, but don't stick your hand in the fire and then scream. jesus christ you sound like one of those urban idiots with no common sense.
Holy shlt!
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quietpartner
Trad climber
Moantannah
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May 30, 2010 - 01:12pm PT
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Since wolves are such a superb blessing to whatever environment they find themselves in, Rockjox and I will capture a few healthy breeding pairs and haul 'em to the Sierras......and wine country...the beaches....downtown LA....pronto!!!!! ;^)
A coupla years from now, you'll all thank us for our foresight.
(Maybe they'll clean out the ghettos)?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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May 30, 2010 - 02:00pm PT
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Quietpartner!
Need some help?
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quietpartner
Trad climber
Moantannah
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May 30, 2010 - 02:36pm PT
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Sure!
You can head up the team that exports them to the hallowed halls of Congress!
As a side note, a retired employee of Fish Wildlife Service (FWS) recently spoke here about the tens of millions of $$$ the FWS had siphoned off (he called it embezzled) to fund the wolf reintroduction, among other programs that were forbidden by the agency. Fees that sportsmen pay every time they buy fishing gear,etc. He claimed they paid him to show up at his office and do absolutely nothing in exchange for keeping quiet. After three years of muzzling him, he finally retired and blew the whistle.
Fascinating info!
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allapah
climber
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May 30, 2010 - 07:45pm PT
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hey, i saw one last night! doesn't happen very often... i was bouldering under the midnight sun at some marble outcrops north of Nome, and i glimpsed a running mammal on the adjacent ridge... at first, i thought it was a Grizz, so i got all out of breath and freaky like i always do when there's a bear, and i hid on the cliffs and ransacked my rucksack for the pepper spray that wasn't in there... but then my brain processed the visual images, and realized, it had been a wolf, and that i had been hearing it howling amongst the chirping of the migrating birds... i am a teacher in AK, and i didn't die... also, it was a bit of syncronicity, as, just before leaving the house, i had seen this thread back on the front page... and it was a fine night of bouldering...
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 31, 2010 - 12:14am PT
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About twenty years after the Endangered Speces Act in 1973, a lawsuit was filed by the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund in the 1990's claiming that wolves were migrating from northwest Montana (and perhaps Idaho Wilderness) and were expected to settle in Yellowstone in about thirty years on their own initiative....and thus government funded reintroduction was unnecessary.
But some wildlife biologists claimed thirty years was too long to wait. They wanted to "study" the wolves NOW. I would definitely want to "study" wolves NOW, myself, considering the millions of dollars the federal government was willing to spend; thirteen million just helicoptering Mackenzie Valley subspecies around in the first five years, while the native subspecies were expected to hoof it....oops! "paw it"....... if they were to migrate.
According to Valerie Richardson, "Decrying Wolves." National Review 20 Mar. 1995: 28-30, the cost of transplanting the original packs from Canada was $65,000 per animal.
Cost estimates on wolf recovery run from $200,000 to $1 million per wolf.(in present population) In 2009 reporter from the Idaho Falls Post Register estimated the total cost of wolf reintroduction at over $600,000,000. Surely the costs of training employees and the process of collaring, tracking, transporting wolves is high but....six hundred million dollars seems extreme. That figure probaby factors in lost revenues to the state and local ranchers over time.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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May 31, 2010 - 01:07pm PT
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Rokjox, if you set at your computer all day and type meaningless dribble, the wolves can't get you. But then you know that.
You should try climbing, it might improve your attitude. But the creatures are out there...waiting....
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quietpartner
Trad climber
Moantannah
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May 31, 2010 - 01:36pm PT
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Rockjox
His name is Jim Beers.
His talk is supposed to be on lobowatch.com. I haven't looked at the website yet. I believe you can order a copy of his presentation there.
The money from the sale of this DVD will go to a legal fund for Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd (elk numbers have catastrophically declined in this area). The above group's website is fotnyeh.org
Hope this helps.
And Jennie-of-Arc, sorry I forgot to include you in the fray!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 31, 2010 - 06:46pm PT
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More wolves and fewer humans could solve a lot of problems Worldwide.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 31, 2010 - 06:54pm PT
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More wolves and fewer humans could solve a lot of problems Worldwide. Although wolves very rarely if ever attack humans, notwithstanding certain paranoid fantasies regularly served up here.
Besides, aren't wolves related to dogs? Don't you have issues about wolves/dogs at the mountains and crags?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 31, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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There is absolutely no need for humans in America to hunt. Bring back the large predators, outlaw hunting and watch the herds reach a natural equilibrium.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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May 31, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
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Statistics on wild-animal related deaths in the US: My comuter freaked on the link so I can't cut and paste but...
#1 killer of humans... other humans.
#1 actual wild animal... Deer
#2 Bees
#3 venomous snakes
and so on.
Wolves were very very low on the list and almost all are "pets" kept by humans... not random wilderness attacks.
I'm confused..if they want to save lives- why haven't they mobilized and air strike against deer.. not wolves.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 31, 2010 - 08:07pm PT
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I met a climber named Wolf in Yosemite last week. A delightful person.
RokJox may be conflicted about this news, that there was a Wolf (bad) in Yosemite (good) in California (bad). At least according to his beliefs.
Edit: It's the surname of a female.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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May 31, 2010 - 10:50pm PT
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There are many other reasons to preserve the large ungulate populations in addition to sport hunting. I for one, enjoy watching them on my ranch even though I don't hunt. In the spring, I enjoy seeing the does with new fawns, elk cows with calves, and the wild turkey poults. I consider myself their custodian and guardian as well as merely a rancher.
Wolves, on the other hand are wanton killers and are destructive of the efforts to preserve these other beautiful species who harm NO ONE unless threatened during mating/birthing seasons.
There are those here on this forum who would "outlaw hunting" and would screech like banshees if anyone else had the temerity to suggest "outlaw climbing." I guess it depends upon whose "ox is gored?"
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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OMG!
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