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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Paul it's about wearing a mask in public, anywhere you go. Who's in there?
It ain't headscarves, it's the full facial burqa.
a particular article of clothing
Look up burqa...
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Gene
Social climber
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I say it's the intolerant Europeans' problem and not the people who choose to wear what they want. Should we ban the strange garb (vestments) worn by priests in churches the public has access to?
Isn't the choice to believe what one chooses and express it in a non-violent way the most basic of human rights?
I don't see the problem here. Of course, I spent years in a place where men wore skirts (lava-lava in Samoa). Maybe my respect for my friends there skews my view. Why is there such a demand to homogenize everything?
Don't criticize what you don't understand. (BD)
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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You completely miss the point, making it a crime to wear a certain type of clothing, is insanity.
How about we outlaw rasta beanies, because they just have to be hiding something in them?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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FortMental gets my point. It's about concealing your identity in public.
Rasta beanies, priests garments, skirts, I can still see who you are. You can't have unidentifiable people running around in public.
Headscarf (hijab) okay, burqa no.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Bluey, I think you're part right when you say: "It's about concealing your identity in public."
But there's a second part to it too, at least as I hear the debate. It's also about banning a long-standing, potent symbol of women as second class citizens. France, a secular society, tries not to allow that.
And nobody need bother to tell me that women "choose" to wear them. That'll get us really deep into what the word "choice" really means. And symbols like that aren't only about who is wearing them anyway, they are also about a society that accepts/allows/encourages them. If wearing anything one wants is a fundamental right, is it acceptable to wear a KKK robe and cone-hat in public in the US? (I use "acceptable" because I think it is legal, although it might constitute a "hate" crime too, I don't know).
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reddirt
climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 11:49am PT
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for the record
niqab, burqua = everything's covered.
hijab = face still exposed...
I needed one last year for a funeral.
Tons of soccer moms around me wear these as they chauffeur their kids around in their (sub)urban assault vehicles (usually toyota landcruisers, chevy suburbans, etc)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 24, 2010 - 01:34pm PT
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Seems to me this a clear reason why Western Society needs seperation of Church and State.
Obviously, the French Government is imposing their views on the citizens whom happen to be Muslim (of the Islamic Faith).
We may not agree with another's religious faith, but you still have to respect their customs and allow them to practice their faith as they deem. This is an internal matter for the faith of Islam to work out. This should not be a matter for a government to get involved in.
I may not agree with burkas, but then again, I'm not of the Islamic faith. Live and let live.
Do you see the danger of the State getting involved in matters of religion and faith? What if this happened in the US? Once the meddling of the government is allowed in matters of faith, then who is to stop them from getting involved in other matters?
Perhaps one day the US Federal Government decides to outlaw praying, or reading the Bible, or being a Christian? Where does it stop?
Seperation of Church and State.
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto GOD what is GOD's."
 Jesus the Christ said this. Clear indication of seperation of Church and State.
Let it be.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Do you see the danger of the State getting involved in matters of religion and faith?
What about the danger of religion becoming involved in politics and governance?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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^^^^^ HAHAHA (to quote Tami)
We wouldn't want that would we? Like the state defining marriage.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 30, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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Anyway, what about all those impressionable young people who will be wearing full veils tonight and tomorrow night?
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