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Bababata
Mountain climber
Utopia
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:25pm PT
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Strong opinions and deep insecurities, however, are often related.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:28pm PT
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True, and everyone on this thread has exhibited strong opinions.
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Bababata
Mountain climber
Utopia
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:39pm PT
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Well, I politely disagree with you, Jim. Apart from a few angry and insecure individuals, most everyone has been pretty measured and rational in their responses.
Fascinating stuff though! I think someone could write a PhD thesis in psychology just based on this thread.
Now, back to the show..
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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deuce has responded to ptpp about number of bolts/holes/drills per pitch....just curious, was there a "magic" number? what was it?
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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Ego is great, good and necessary but maintaining your personal integrity and allowing who you're arguing with to maintain their personal integrity is important.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:56pm PT
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An early mentor of mine told me that without egos, not many hard climbs would get done.
That has stuck with me for a long time.
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:20pm PT
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El Cap thinking....... Oh the silly Humans..... with their pitons,bolts,chisels.....scaling,conquering....so relevant , so important...... just wait till I drop Boot Flake on their asses..........heh heh heh
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:24pm PT
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Twisted,
I wouldn't agree completely, can't the love and simple joy of doing it motivate someone?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
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unfortunately no, Hudon. there are those who do to their own insecurities have to denigrate others so that those whom are insecure can feel better....and yes that is pathetic.
on the other hand, there are those whose sense of "right" and "wrong" may be at stake and i presuppsoe that is the case with SG and mimi. its just that there sense of "right" and "wrong" is not only based upon very little information but their way of going about it is truely pathetic...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:15pm PT
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i get it DMT,
kind of like writing a letter to the editor of a climbing mag complaining about power drills on El Cap, right?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:28pm PT
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"the hardest route on El Capitan." Not "a hard route." Not "one of the hardest routes. "THE HARDEST ROUTE."
I see that the wording the web site was quietly changed. It now says, "It is also one of the hardest routes on El Capitan."
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:42pm PT
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DMT: There are probably 6 people in the whole world that truly give a sh#t about Wings of Steel..
Here we go again. So to speak.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:50pm PT
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Heh... and I'm not one of them. My integrity is the only thing in this that matters to me. Don't call me a liar and expect me to back down.
So, who are the other four?
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:53pm PT
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What props will they use for the movie? The docudrama reenactment part.
I know there was a can of chili in the mix.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:54pm PT
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Like arguing over Maestri's compressor; meaningless.
At Climb Smart in Josh a few years ago, I saw a cool slideshow by a famous climber. He had a great slide of the compressor taken from above, with a view through the compressor showing the situation.
There was something really good about that, to see that thing, still hanging there after all these years. A testament to man and his works.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:03pm PT
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oh sh#t, now gc is gonna go all victim on this thread. sSomeone must be blamed?!?!?!
I don't know what you are talking about. I'd quoted the film web site. After I quoted it, they decided it was appropriate to change it, and so I noted that. There's no victims and no blame. They clarified their language and I noted that. They should be congratulated for responding so quickly and clarifying.
I'm a bit disappointed that they backed of "the hardest" to "one of the hardest" but "one of the hardest is good enough for me. It's obviously not a bolt ladder.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:06pm PT
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kind of like writing a letter to the editor of a climbing mag complaining about power drills on El Cap, right?
Or going apeshit on Supertopo about dead coyotes on fences.
Who wrote the letter to the editor of climbing mag?
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:44pm PT
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GC, you're right. I had the Kickstarter URL open in another tab for the last week or so. Refreshed it just now and watched the verbage change as you had noted.
Not that I'm critiquing the action mind you, just validating and authenticating what you said.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:49pm PT
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I don't know any of the players in this saga. never hear of mimi or SG before this thread, never been to cali . I have been climbing for 29 years though and one thing that I have found to be the gods honest truth is that you can not judge the real dificulty of a climb on rappell. It may look like it will go but when you unweight that rope and start trying to actually climb that piece of rock that you thought was going to be so easy, it can be a whole different ball game. I am of the firm opinion that no one has the right to diss a climb that they have not actually climbed. I will go one farther and say that you should lead that climb and not just follow it to have the right to critisize it unless your leader has the same opinion.
how peeved do you get when you lead the hardest bravest pitch of the day and your weasily assed 2nd who has not lead anything all day says " that wasen't nearly as scary as the guidebook indicated.. Felt pretty casual to me"
Seriously guys. It sounds like you did something pretty evil BINTD by haressing and bullying these guys and now almost 30 years later you seem to be desperatly holding on to the belief that you were right back then so that you will not haVE TO DEAl with the reality of what went down. You come off as shrill, desperate and deranged. The name calling and rants add a junior high flavor to the image that you guys project.
Strange stuff to be comming off the keybords of middle age adults........
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