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TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Dec 22, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
This is what I sent, I encourage others to do the same.


Congressman Jim Gerlach
2442 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

Congressman Gerlach
We write this letter in the hope that some good may come out of the recent tragedy in Connecticut, that lawmakers like you will recognize their responsibility to protect all the rights of the people they have sworn to represent. Those teachers in Sandy Hook were willing to confront an armed man to protect children in their care, if you could show just a small fraction of that courage, you could save the lives of many more.
We understand that no laws will eliminate evil from our society, and that many Americans have a sincere belief that their right to keep and bear arms is an essential freedom, but unlimited exercise of that freedom should not be allowed to deprive others of a more fundamental right. Our founding fathers declared unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, long before they spoke of the right to keep and bear arms.
We have no wish to prevent anyone from protecting their homes, property or loved ones from harm, but when the most highly trained and well armed protection force in the world could not prevent President Reagan from being shot, it must be clear that more guns is not the solution. In addition, unless we choose to erect security checkpoints at our state borders and city limits, only consistent nationwide controls will ever be effective.
We therefore strongly urge you to support legislation that, over time, would save thousands of lives making this great nation even greater, yet not threaten anyone’s right to self-defense. Such legislation could include:
• Mandatory, effective background checks for all gun purchases.
• Mandatory reporting of “lost” or stolen guns, with legal responsibility placed on gun owners to take reasonable measures to secure weapons against theft or unauthorized use.
• Restrictions on the purchase and sale of weapons that have no valid purpose for self-defense or hunting.
• Restriction on the number of guns any person can purchase at one time.
• Mandatory comprehensive training for all Concealed Carry Permit applicants.
We remain convinced that the Republican party has an opportunity before the next election to reflect on the deeper values that it represents, not merely those of a vocal or wealthy minority. By demonstrating the leadership and courage to question the dogma of the past, on this and several other issues, a stronger party could emerge to improve this nation for all its inhabitants.
If you fail to support meaningful legislation to reduce gun violence in the coming congressional term, we pledge that we will actively support your opponent, and encourage others to do the same. Subject to legal limitations, for every bloodstained dollar your campaign receives from the NRA, we will provide a matching donation to your opponent.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 09:31pm PT
TradEddie that was stellar!


I am not remotely suggesting taking away everyones guns but I would like to see LaPierre and the NRA strangled and drowned in a hog slop pit.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
I am not remotely understanding your suggestion Hedge.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 10:30pm PT
I got that. It is just as I see that the Gun Lobby immediately starts the "Gunna git yer Guns" fear mongering when ever these incidents occur.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 22, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
Lincoln took considerable pains to see that the constitutional amendment prohibiting slavery was approved by the House before the rebels surrendered - even though that meant the usual political trickery getting approval from a lame-duck House. The amendment had already been approved by the Senate, and was sure to get the needed approval from the non-rebel states. Lincoln knew that once the war ended, it would be more difficult to do anything.

The amendment followed on the emancipation proclamation of 1863, which as mentioned applied only to the slaves of rebel states ("war powers"), and which would have lapsed at the end of the war.

The current movie Lincoln is largely about this issue.

The NRA is of course desperate, knowing that any reasonable federal limitation or prohibition on assault weapons, automatic weapons, and similar guns would likely stand up to a constitutional challenge. Once the supreme court rules that reasonable restrictions are permitted, it's game over.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
Putting armed guards at schools is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
Yah lets put men with guns & very little training at our schools. Then they don't have to travel as far when one goes postal. Like that won't happen. Much less having their gun taken by someone. Most guard shoot on duty are shoot with their our gun.

Much less the message you are sending our kids --- We now live in a police state because some wankers are to f--king selfish to put their guns down. Adults are out of control & the only way we have a half a chance at keeping you from being killed is by surrounding you with more guns.

If you are a man & you carry a gun for protection ---- you are a cowered.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 22, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
Which side do you think those Apache pilots and front line LEOs will come down on?


You clearly have no understanding of the makeup of both of those communities.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
If they don't come down on the gov. side they won't have their little birds to fly in.

We have one of the best trained militaries in the world, right, wrong, or indifferent most if not all the officer core will do its duty as ordered.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 22, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
"Vee vuss jooost folowing udders!"
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 23, 2012 - 12:10am PT
Fortunately there are not that many of them so they could all fit on the short bus.


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 23, 2012 - 12:17am PT
The collapse of a nation this large will likely take decades and probably generations. Rome did not fail overnight. There's a lot of ruin in something this large.

Now the timing and shape of that collapse is not predictable.

It will certainly not be an armed insurrection against the government we know today. That's just silly. We will turn against each other long before that. The "evil government" is a bloated unsustainable cancer, totally unable to afford it's appetite. At the current pace, there won't be a dollar in 50 years. What does that mean? Who knows.

It might not involve bloody revolution at all. Might be more of a slow rot and decay from within with brief pockets of violence.

All I do know, is 1 out of 5 folks are on Food Stamps and rising. If all those EBT cards ever start coming up "declined" at the local Stop n' Shop.... Things will get interesting in less than 48 hours.

Things go tribal first generally. Everyone will be out for themselves and their local communities first.

So yeah, "Assault Weapons" certainly have their place if things degrade. Nobody grounded in reality thinks they're going to be fighting against Seal Team Six. More like trying to keep your family fed and alive type stuff...

Hopefully this will happen long after I, or my kids, need to worry about it. And it might not be all that bad for everyone. There's no way to really know.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 23, 2012 - 12:23am PT
Oh the LOL
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2012 - 12:30am PT
the NRA proposes cops in schools, while silly, where's your criticism of Barbara Boxer's proposal to put armed soldiers in schools?


Boxer unveiled two proposals Wednesday to bolster school security. The first would require the Justice Department and Education Department to draft new school safety guidelines and provide up to $50 million to help schools implement new security plans. The second proposal would provide federal reimbursement for up to 4,000 National Guard troops to be used by state governors to protect schools.



krahmes

Social climber
Stumptown
Dec 23, 2012 - 12:37am PT
Two different years and iterations without comment, for now; beyond the point that dead is dead whether by gun, chainsaw or knife:
And from the year before:
The data is here:
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/Homicide_statistics2012.xls
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 23, 2012 - 12:58am PT
No one ever dies from a mass breast feeding.
But here in Gun Nut haven there are public decency laws prohibiting breast feeding.



Yeah more BOOBS
sac

Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
Dec 23, 2012 - 01:22am PT

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:11am PT
Just cut a few hundred billion from FOREIGN AID and bingo bongo,, schools will be much safer and civil.

Ah, and here we see the REAL AGENDA!

This is NOT about safety, it is about using NRA controlled guys to INTIMIDATE children with GUNS (after all, without guns, they could do the same thing right now....but apparently not, it requires guns, according to Ron!)

Enforced CIVILITY. I imagine that has to do with praying to the right God at the right time, as well.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:18am PT
Gosh, Ron, I'm still waiting for your explation of how you got around the illegal transport of a gun on an international flight, and you conspiring to do so....

Why don't you have an answer for this, and nothing but silence in spite of repeated postings about this?

Is this because your face is red, because you've been caught? Is it because LEO training is to never admit anything, but call the Union Rep?

I would be more concerned that now, you will not be able to pass a lie detector test.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 23, 2012 - 02:22am PT
the NRA proposes cops in schools, while silly, where's your criticism of Barbara Boxer's proposal to put armed soldiers in schools?


That was NOT the NRA proposal. The proposal was to put SECURITY GUARDS in schools. Rent-a-cops.

They are not trained to deal with assaults. They are not particularly proficient with firearms. They do not carry automatic weapons, ever. They've never been fired at.

Soldiers with experience have all those characteristics in spades.

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