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Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Nov 27, 2011 - 10:55pm PT
No intelligent thoughts? Makes sense. I hope you realize that America is AWESOME!
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 27, 2011 - 10:57pm PT
Is there any reason not to make America more awesome?
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Nov 27, 2011 - 11:01pm PT
Philo, why would you not want America more awesome? I know I do.
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Nov 28, 2011 - 01:11am PT
Anyone see a problem with this?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 28, 2011 - 01:28am PT
So is Anxiety only good for US? And wouldn't it have been good to show that picture to increase that good anxiety? Do those other world locations not have enough good anxiety?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 28, 2011 - 02:00am PT
Urban camping is all the rage!

PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Nov 28, 2011 - 02:56am PT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 28, 2011 - 03:35am PT
eviction in Los Angeles can we watched live:

http://www.occupylosangeles.org/?q=node%2F2328
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 28, 2011 - 06:50am PT
Hmmm 28 meaningless posts to the same thread in under 3 minutes and no other history.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 28, 2011 - 06:55am PT
And interesting perspective.


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/if-the-social-protest-dies-out-israel-to-see-a-new-feudalism-1.398151

Published 02:44 28.11.11Latest update 02:44 28.11.11

If the social protest dies out, Israel to see a new feudalism
The U.S. has a tradition of civil protests that lead to significant changes: women's suffrage, equal rights for blacks, pulling out of Vietnam. There is reason to fear a social protest that is rapidly catching on. In Israel there has yet to be a social protest that led to a policy change.
By Merav Michaeli

Full text below.


After being arrested when helping nonviolent demonstrators to realize their freedom of expression and their right to protest, the well-known writer Naomi Wolf discovered that freedom of expression and protest in America is not what it used to be ("The shocking truth about the suppression of protest in the United States," by Naomi Wolf, The Guardian, November 27.)

In addition, she discovered that in violation of U.S. law, the Department of Homeland Security advised 18 cities as to how to suppress this protest. In fact the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations were suppressed with pepper spray, beatings and arrests, which led Wolf to wonder why such a popular, hapless protest led the federal government to react with such violence.


She discovered that although the media described the Wall Street protest as unfocused, its demands are actually very focused on three legislative changes that are highly threatening to legislators and their allies: limiting the sums of money that interested parties can donate to candidates in elections, a reform in the banking system that will prevent fraud and manipulations for which small depositors pay the price, and canceling the ability of members of Congress to legislate laws concerning corporations in which they have investments. According to Wolf this third demand is the most threatening, since more and more Congressmen entered the political system as members of the middle class and emerged very wealthy - and she claims they have no intention of endangering that.

Here too, the elected exploit their status to enrich themselves and their friends. The list of MKs and ministers who have become wealthy - or at least well-off - is a long one, and here they are doing it even though it is in violation of the law.

Changes in legislation won't improve our situation. Civil servants also exploit their status to enrich those who will soon be giving them the tools to enrich themselves. The list of CEOs, senior executives and advisers of tycoons impressively coincides with the list of former regulators and senior government officials. Therefore, here too both groups are interested in seeing the socioeconomic protest disappear.

But here there is no need for violence. In the United States there is a tradition of civil protests, which have led to significant changes: women's suffrage, equal rights for blacks, pulling out of Vietnam. There is reason to fear a social protest that is rapidly catching on. In Israel there has yet to be a social protest - peaceful or violent - that led to a policy change. From the Black Panthers to the encampments this summer, in Israel the protests are only another tool with which the government can divide and rule. The government managed to split even the most recent protest, which clung to solidarity, and presented it as a hostile factor with vested interests.

In this way the Israeli controllers of money and power can simply ignore one tenth of the population, which took to the streets to express a heartfelt protest about life that is becoming increasingly hard and burdensome here - and neither their power nor their money will suffer. Also thanks to the media, which may have provided broad coverage of the protest when it was too big to ignore, but is once again describing it as unfocused at best and bizarre at worst. The media moguls are also among those who find it convenient to exploit the majority for the benefit of their own wealth.

Yale anthropologist Prof. David Graeber claims that capitalism is falling apart, and the only question is what will follow it: a system of authoritarian rule of minorities over the majority, or "a genuine democratic system, in which we will all have a genuine opportunity to decide?" ("Capitalism is based on constant growth, and we have reached the limit," Asher Schechter, TheMarker Hebrew website, November 26 ).

In Israel, already now the system is National Capitalism. If the social protest really does die out as did its predecessors, Israel will probably be the first country in which the concept "neofeudalism" will turn from an expression used by leftist economic philosophers to the name of the type of regime practiced in it: Neo-National-Feudalism.
SarahHarris

Big Wall climber
LA, USA
Nov 28, 2011 - 07:35am PT
I think these people did the right thing. If it was the only way to make other listen to them and hear what they say then why not!

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happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 28, 2011 - 10:46am PT
Either the worst spammer to exist or (tin hat theory) one of the paid Occupiers Occupying the Occupy Wall Street movement.

I had a typo just now and it has helped me coin a term for those who are attempting to minimize/deflect attention from the OWS movement by posting misinformation/twisting facts and such:

Occupigs!



Upthread, the essay from Ms. Wolf was quite good, as her work always is. I have to say it made my heart very heavy to see my fear of what is coming put in writing by someone like her. (the massive, organized, crackdown having been the first battle in a civil war). I believe it is true; the bullshit that OWS is protesting is not going to stop, and the awareness of the masses to it is not going to go away. At least not without some serious infringements upon liberties. Which will likely have the effect of only throwing gas on the fire.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 28, 2011 - 11:05am PT
Occupigs sounds like an apt description of the folks trashing our city squares in the name of the Wall Street occupation.

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 28, 2011 - 11:12am PT
or one of the paid Occupiers Occupying the Occupy Wall Street movement.


Yeeah, what she said.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 28, 2011 - 12:56pm PT
every "movement" has its fringe elements who are there for the fun of being in a group

and have no real interest in the meaning behind the protest/movement



I suspect that the men who brought their loaded guns to Tea Party events had zero

knowledge of the federal budget's revenue and spending, but just liked wearing their guns in public and being a part of something.

They gave the Tea Party a bad rep, just like the fringe idiots are doing to OWS
----


Sadly, by far most people focus on the "fringe" elements and use them to define and

label ALL members of the movement
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The above people are not "fair" in their perception, and as such are dumb fuks
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 28, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
Dr F.,

Occupigs ( thanks, Happie-G! ):



Anyone who leaves a campsite looking like that is a pig. Occupig.

Weschrist,

You should know by now, that's NOT a job for the Federal Government. Read your Constitutiom.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 28, 2011 - 01:09pm PT
Does this guy at a Tea Party represent the meaning and spirit behind the movement?

I personally do not think so.

And so I would not make up blanket statement that ALL Tea Party people are dumb fuks.


But, there are many here on supertopo who will not extend the same "fairness" of perception when they see only the "fringe" idiots of OWS


Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 28, 2011 - 01:11pm PT
Google "tea party feces", and then do the same with "occupy wall street feces". Compare and contrast what you find.

Occupigs.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 28, 2011 - 01:15pm PT
Shoppers walked over and around the body of this dying man at a Target store on black Friday.

Does this mean ALL "shoppers" are heartless ass holes?

I don't think so, but the dumb fuks who base the entire OWS movement on SOME people would.

Is that "fair"? NO it is not.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 28, 2011 - 01:22pm PT
Weschrist,

One of things the Occupigs seem to be asking for is that the Federal Government crack down on those they think are in violation of the law.

They ( the Occupigs ) don't seem to be asking for smaller government, it seems like they're all in favor of More Bigger Government.

Now, the More Bigger Government they asked for is on their ass.

It seems the protestors who were roughed-up were roughed-up while they were resisting arrest, not exactly a *peaceful* activity.

But like 90% of what the Federal Government does, this is something it ought not be doing.
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