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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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The world needs clowns to laugh at once in while.
Thanks for stepping up to the plate! Chief, you are my favorite Internet buffoon! Have a good day out there and be safe.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Have a fun day driving your gas guzzler, pretending this is about dooms-day, instead of your choices screwing over the less fortunate and future generations.
I'll ride my bike to my local bouldering spot.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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and you be safe on that LA Freeway.
We've had two maintenance people killed in San Diego County the last couple of months by "errant" vehicles. Both leaving behind families.
Not much of a job for buffoonery.
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Chief- I found your use of roughly this diagram:
to be somewhat off the reservation; If I got it right the point you were trying to make from this graph/cartoon was that given that CO2 has fluctuated over the 4.6 billion year existence of the earth any worries about rising current CO2 is misguided, because the earth is going to do what it is going to do.
A few points of order about this cartoon and the use of earth history; this diagram is trying to tell the story about what some earth scientist call “deep time” and often the gist of discussion about that term is that human mind is ill equipped (or unable) to actually grasp such large amount of time in the right contextual sense. Furthermore as we peer back into earth history often clarity and data reliability become issues.
The point I take away from the cartoon above is that multicellular life has over 570 million scrubbed CO2 from the atmosphere and stored that carbon into terrestrial sinks. A second somewhat obscured and hypothetical point is that climate change is often associated with extinction events.
Homo sapiens as distinct species are 200,000 years old with lineage roots about 6,000,000 years. The cartoon is derived through a mirror darkly of 4,600,000,000 years. The point being with regards to our species the pertinent atmospheric CO2 information is actually better represented by this graph:
A data representation graph with far more accuracy than the diagram you posted and little of the associated uncertainty in the data. Good Times.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Better to deal with errant drivers, than purposeful IED's, suicide C4 strapped fanatics, raining semi-auto 40mm's, 80mm mortar attacks etc.
Better we didn't get into useless wars (they're actually worse than useless--they have negative value). Wonder how much energy used by US is used by military? Seems like an easy way to reduce carbon use would be to shut that boondoggle work. We might even have enough money to fix our roads then, too.
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dirtbag
climber
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You're scaring me blah blah, that's another sensible post, completely out of character for you.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 9, 2011 - 05:21pm PT
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Summers Are Going To Get Hotter, Stanford Scientists Say
A recent study conducted by Stanford University scientists has concluded that if greenhouse gas concentrations continue to increase, many regions in the world will probably experience an irreversible rise in summer temperatures within the next 20 to 60 years.
Hey Bookworm, CC...Isn't Stanford in Communist China (or a region that's remarkably similar, a small and insignificant area in a small and insignificant state called California).
Oh wait, there's more:
LiveScience explains that a single heat wave or warm day is not a sign of global warming. But while an individual weather event cannot be attributed to a warming world, more long-term trends are accepted in the scientific community as evidence of man-made global warming.
But even with this, I look forward to your continued posts denying that there's any evidence of AGW.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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You're scaring me blah blah, that's another sensible post, completely out of character for you.
Well don't get too used to it--but there's something about some guy who apparently made his living off these crazy foreign wars, then bragging about it and mocking people who actually do useful work that rubs me the wrong way.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Not only did he make his living off it, now we get to pay his pension.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 10, 2011 - 05:51am PT
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You conservatives really don't like anyone telling you to try to reduce your pollution. It's your god given right to pollute as much as you can.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 10, 2011 - 06:12am PT
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What for? You all ride your bikes and own no vehicles, right? My bad. Forgot. Ya'll are just talking shet and spewing more of the hypocrisy that flows on this thread and throughout the AGW community.
Ye olde strawman.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 10, 2011 - 10:06am PT
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LOL
You never listen Chief. I guess that's the great thing about knowing everything.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 10, 2011 - 11:29am PT
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"Strawman" that puts no more than 3200 miles on his F-150 per year, has been happily retired for well over 12 years, climbs at least 4 days a week at over 25 different locales no more than 20 minutes from his front door and lives where you bust your asses 5 days a week, 52 weeks outta the year in order to gain the money to visit every other weekend to climb, for a day or two, if your lucky.
Dammit, like all good conservatives the chief has started using the Chewbacca Defense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 10, 2011 - 11:51am PT
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jun 11, 2011 - 07:14am PT
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Good insights as to what ails The Chief regarding his pathological anti-elitism and use of the Chewbacca Defense.
But it seems to me that the Chewbacca Defense is usually a conscious ploy.
Because of The Chief's obvious pathology, I think his ego defense mechanisms, confirmation bias, and urge to self-justify, cause him to involuntarily invoke the Chewbacca Defense because of his overwhelming cognitive dissonance.
Elsewise his head would explode . . . so he posts nonsense that makes our heads want to explode.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jun 11, 2011 - 11:43am PT
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More from that article regarding the Chewbacca Defense that fits The Chief's MO:
". . . and try to razzle-dazzle the jury about how complex and complicated the other side's evidence or probability estimates are."
"someone asserts his claim by saying something so patently nonsensical that the listener's brain shuts down completely."
It's like he has six shirts. As soon as someone points out that his shirt with screen prints of scientific equations is inside-out, he doesn't acknowledge it, he just puts on another that is full of holes, and when that's pointed out he doesn't acknowledge it, he just puts on another one that's full of sh#t, and so on until we're scratching our heads, thinking, "isn't that the one he was wearing inside-out a few minutes ago???"
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 11, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
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Its like second guessing your brain surgeon, or for a somewhat less "elite" analogy, trying to tell your mechanic how to fix your car.
That is an interesting observation. When someone who knows nothing about cars goes to a mechanic, he's in mortal fear that the mechanic is trying to cheat him. And the mechanic oftentimes is. I doubt the brain surgeon is trying to cheat you in the same way (he's making plenty of money no matter what), but many doctors screw things up, and the wise patient does as much diligence as he can, including second opinions, asking tough questions, etc.
We need to have the same skepticism when dealing with "scientists" whose personal agenda (getting grants/publicity/junkets/nice livelihood) may be divorced from any notion of the public good.
One good thing about The Chief--he seems to have united virtually everyone who's reading this thread in agreeing that he is whacked at many different levels (nothing personal Chief--you may be a great guy IRL, but the stuff you post here is beyond left field).
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:54am PT
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"I strongly suspect, based somewhat on my experiences with people of the scientific bent, that they are the least likely people to be driven by a need for profit and power. I won't say it can't happen but as a group they are the most likely to be motivated by the drive to know "the truth", in fact that pretty much defines thier field of profession. The whole notion that the whole climate science community is embarked on some highly organized international scheme to hoodwink us all out of our tax dollars via targeting research grants is hilarious beyond belief.
If you really insist upon the existence of a "conspiracy" shouldn't one follow the real money in the
obvious direction?"
if you need proof that the agw movement has become a religion, here it is... the leaders of the movement are now incorruptible, selfless, and motivated simply by the "truth"
never mind the calls for "skeptics" to be fired and stripped of accreditation
never mind repeated and ongoing refusals to publish data
never mind the very real conspiracy to manipulate the peer review process to keep opposing studies from publication
never mind the continuing claims of "consensus" despite the many "skeptics"
never mind the refusal of the leaders to openly debate the skeptics
never mind the billions of dollars devoted to research, which doesn't include the cost of international travel to attend conferences at luxury resorts
here's a question: if increased co2 emissions lead to increased temps, then why haven't global temps increased over the last 10 years?
http://blogs.forbes.com/jamestaylor/2011/06/08/ten-years-and-counting-wheres-the-global-warming/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/29/record-greenhouse-gases-jolt-bonn-climate-talks
http://www.drroyspencer.com/
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/06/recent-cooling-of-northern-hemisphere-mid-latitudes-viewed-from-aqua/
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/06/uah-temperature-update-for-may-2011-0-13-deg-c/
http://www.drroyspencer.com/
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/05/the-truth-about-greenhouse-gases
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jun 13, 2011 - 06:53am PT
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So you bought the Razzle-Dazzle?
Despite being in the depths of an extreme solar minimum, 2010 was the second hottest year on record.
http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum/
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20110112/
What kind of fool is so biased that he trusts OPINIONS that agree with his biases, over scientific DATA that is counter to them? What kind of chump could be so biased that he paints those who are concerned about climate change--because of the scientific evidence--as being cultish religious nuts, when it is he who is blinded by his own opinion articles of faith and miracles of cherry-picked data manipulation? Bookworm is that you? Chief?
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Jun 13, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
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The Chief
Trad climber
from the Land where Free Mongols still roam! Jun 13, 2011 - 09:22am PT
"If there was irrefutable evidence available, would you change your mind?"
LMAO! Haven't we heard this far too many times in the past 1000 years alone....
That is what the Christians said about the Heretics: Inquisition
That is what the Christians said about Witches: Witch Hunt
That is what the Plantationist said about Blacks: American Black Slavery
That is what the Male American said about Women: Women could not Vote
That is what Hitler said about the Jews/Russians etc: The Holocaust
That is what McCarthy said about the American Communists: McCarthyism
That is what the Muslim Extremist say about us: Modern Day Jihad
ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ...............
Absolutely NO difference from any of the above. NONE!
Just another form of Ego Fanaticism.
Uh Oh! The Chief is using the Chewbacca defense again.
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