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Mimi
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:30am PT
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Bwana:
"Again the conflation between style and ethics."
You sir, sucked at both. And gleefully though you saw it as suffering.
Bwana:
"Yeah, Mighty, this is where the rubber meets the road with that principle. I'm sure you don't want a theology lesson, so I'll spare you. But when there is a principle of systematic abuse, you go after it.
Blather deleted.
Besides, strictly speaking, we HAVE been turning the other cheek. We have not responded in kind: no lies, no threats of violence, and no shyting on the critics, among other things. LOL"
Not quite, Rubberhead (or was that the other guy), you cracked your lilly white asses at one of the grandest granite monuments in the world. GFYS!
As with all of your previous lawsuits, bring it on. I should join the church and sue you for decades-old fraud. How much did you profit from this charade? Paid with church funds for your slideshows.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:37am PT
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So Mimi, in the cute cat photo, which cute cat would you be?
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Mimi
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:43am PT
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Hudon, you tell me. You're the one who's hauling a stuffed gorilla pal along on your solos. Did Pete say that was one of the essentials to succeed as robustly as he has? Just asking. And crying for more bolts at the bottom of the East Ledges!!!!11111
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:46am PT
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That's pretty funny, comin' from a cartoon. Why, I oughta........;-)
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:47am PT
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Which cat am I? I think the leaping cat looks more heroic and I'd like to be that one, you know, on the attack, aggressive, but the other cat appeals to me also, rooting for the underdog, almost being forced off his perch. If I had to choose though, I'd be Heroic Cat.
And yeah, a pillow simply for comfort and more bolts although Hollyclimber lined me out on that deal.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:56am PT
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FACT: DADWEEB WERNER PEES ON YOU FROM A GRATE HITE.... LOL!!!
Hi, Weld_It!
Thanks, at long last I have a fact attributed to me! It feels like I've finally reached a rite of passage in this thread!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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WhatinHell? Cartoons aren't allowed meltdowns, as far as I've heard.
Or thought. Or they're required.
Carry on.
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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22k dab
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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Yes, she did, Marky. I was really proud of her giving you the what for on that one.
There is no doubt that this saga attracts the 'support the underdog' mindset. For those not in the know or having done enough reading with comprehension or having enough climbing experience on a wall to 'relate' to the facts, those people get sucked right in. I think it goes back to good old-fashioned idealism. And also supporting perceived antiestablishment views; the evil locals vs the newcomers. These guys weren't idiot savants, they were idiots, and the locals at the time recognized this. If I seem mean, too bad.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:59am PT
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John Middendorf writes:
"I don't believe the route was put up in good style, both from the number of bolts that were used, and the techniques willfully intended."
John - there are more bolts/rivets per foot of rock climbed on Flight of the Albatross than there are on Wings of Steel.
"To me, big walls aren't a place where one tries to "make a mark" in difficulty, it's about finding a natural line and climbing it in good style."
Bollocks! How can you call the bolt ladders up to the Canoe a natural line?
Steve Grossman writes:
"Eight placements in a row over on the Jolly Roger warranted only an A4+ grade.[sic] I'm not sure what your standard of comparison would be in the hooking arena. Eight placements in a row even you can comprehend..."
[He means rating, not grade. Jolly Roger is a Grade VI]
Wow, Steve - you must be light if you think eight hooks in a row makes an A4+ rating. Over on the right side, I've climbed any number of routes with eight or even ten hook moves in a row, and some of those pitches are only rated A4.
Scott Cosgrove writes:
"SG, Wos is harder than Jolly Roger ask Ammon, and get over yourself!"
Well, I could climb Jolly Roger [barely, it was hard] but I couldn't climb WoS - it is *really* hard. Jolly Roger remains one of my all-time favourite El Cap routes.
JM - I'm just yanking your chain. I really liked Albatross. However I stand by my argument.
Cheers,
Pete
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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Apparently those who solo hard routes on El Cap like teddies. So?
So did the original Teddy, Roosevelt.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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Why would you buy angst, supposin'?
That stuff's free.
Unlike Rum. Arrrrrggh.
Matey.
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:18am PT
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Pete, do you really want to stumble down this road and criticize JM and SG? Are you nuts? You are a self-indulgent slob up there. Everyone with half a brain knows this. Please get over your self. Sheeesh!!!!!!!111 You're like a drowning man. Clinging to this story is your 15 minutes. Really sad but I guess you'll be taking one for the team. Or perhaps several by the time it's all done. LOL!
Edit: No, stinkeye, you are a moron and continue to dodge the thrust of the arguments. If you had a brain, you'd have read many posts promoting clean aid. This topic comes up more often as of late. More homework.
Anders: I'm so glad you don't have a pic of Pete's crab. LOL!
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:33am PT
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Not likely Dweebus.
Some of you take things so seriously. Don't you see the humor and entertainment potential here? We sure do.
Aw Dweeb, you deleted your post. Back deleting will lead to much worse things. Didn't you see what it did to AC? He got banned for it.
You've been hit by every pie in this fight. Hang tuff, kid, or are the drycleaning bills getting to you? Savor the cream. mmkay!!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:38am PT
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Too many pies, not enough ducking. Just remember to duck.
TRY! Seriously.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:40am PT
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Whether or not Pete has crabs, I don't have a photo of them. And if I did, I wouldn't admit it let alone post it here, let alone post it with photos of snuggly fuzzy morale-building teddies.
To quote Gollum: "Doesn't know. Doesn't want to know."
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:44am PT
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Mark's teddy kinda scares me! Looks like it has a shitty ass grin on it's face. Haha
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:49am PT
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Maybe we could get happiegirrrl to design a line of big wall teddies, and market them at the mountain shop. It shouldn't be hard to sell the magazines on the idea that a teddie is the latest hardman necessity, except for those with a hardwoman to cuddle with.
Big wall teddies will be a big hit at OR next year. You'll see.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:57am PT
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The trade routes have been hammered beyond belief and you are worried about some hooks being drilled on a first ascent of a slab? Is your meaningless life really that meaningless?
Please take your logical perception somewhere else. It won't hold water here.
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