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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 30, 2013 - 11:02am PT
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"Jap" is a good case in point...
My parents' generation fought WWII. They were taught, and learned, to disrespect and dislike, to hate even, the 'enemy.' A concerted public effort to foster bad will toward those enemies was conducted.
A key piece of this process is the dehumanizing of the enemy. They're not Japanese, they're 'Japs.' And they're not really human, well, not like us anyway. We're the good guys, they are not. The THINGS THEY DO to their conquered foes... OMG! Barbarians!!! WHO WOULD DO THAT????
So people who never met a Japanese person in their life, got an attitude about them. And began spreading that attitude. Anti-Japanese prejudice here in California has a very, very long history for example. This racism traces back for more than 100 years. Proud to be leveraging that body of work, bluering? Maybe a side trip to Manzanar is in order for you, should you ever get out that way.
I grew up hearing the term 'Jap' used in common language. So far as I knew there wasn't a Japanese person within a hundred miles of me, at any given time. Heard it on TV, heard it from my brother and friends. Heard it all the time. Didn't think anything of it.
Didn't occur to me until it was pointed out as an adult - 'jap' is a racial epithet; an insult, a derogatory term. Having also grown up in a place where I heard the daily use of the word 'nigger' I instantly understood.
Racism was foisted upon me, and done so in a manner that as a child I had no defense for. But as an adult I learned my way out of that sh#t.
Call me politically correct that I won't use the term 'digger' pine, and instead prefer to call them gray pines. You might not like my revisionist slant on language. My PC heart bleeds for you too!
If you use racial nicknames and insults then you have ZERO place to complain when they are used against you, or held againt you, or that people make judgements about your character based, in some cases solely upon, your use of those words. If that's how you want to be perceived in the world, David Duke, then relax... you've succeeded.
The rest of us have evolved. See you on the next turn of the wheel.
DMT
Hey Ding, I thought they are called Foothill Pines? That term might be offensive to the gray_meth_folks out I-Bar road...! Ha!
Anyway, you hit the nail on the head again. Great post!!!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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Over two-thirds of the Nikkei interned during World War II were American citizens...sadly, because of emotions after Pearl Harbor few Americans protested the order.
The system that is supposed to protect the rights of American citizens was severely trampled upon...legal scholars describe this as one of the worst violations of constitutional rights in American history. By the time the last internees were released in 1946, Japanese Americans had lost homes and businesses estimated to be worth, in 1999 values, 4 to 5 billion dollars.
Despite the internment, most Japanese-Americans remained intensely loyal to the United States. In 1943, the U.S. Army formed a segregated all-Japanese-American combat unit...the legendary 100th/442nd Regiment which fought in Italy and France and became the most decorated unit of its size in American military history.
The greatest numbers of volunteers in the 442nd came from Idaho and the Minidoka Interment Center...dozens of the families, because they were interned, could not attend the funerals of their sons and brothers killed in action. Very sad...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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Yes, a terrible chapter in US history.
One of the camps, Topaz, was here in Utah in the middle of nowhere.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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Whose turn is it to explain to Ron why he is wrong?
I don't have the patience for it anymore.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
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*^&$ it dirtbag, why bother.
what does sadly required mean?
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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I think it is high time CMac started weeding out these anonymous fukheads posting from multiple accounts.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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How many accounts have you had, Mr Christ?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
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Yeah Cragar, I know.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
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Due process issues aside (and there were major violations of due process--were the kids spies too?), educate yourself why the camps were put in place. The real reasons (hint--think $$$$$$$$).
Not my job to idiot-proof the interweb.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
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It's as if the people who were fighting the war didn't know how the war was going to end while they were in the middle of fighting it.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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Look, a brown person. BOO!!!
PUSSIES.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 30, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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So what do you suggest, Ron? After you've rounded up all the muslims in the US, do you think you should put them in internment camps? Or just kill them all?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 30, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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There are roughly three million Muslims in the United States, and almost all of them are citizens.
They work and pay taxes and on Sunday go to their church, just like Christians.
They don't commit acts of terror.
The Muslims who subscribe to radical Islam and plot to kill Americans do not come from the three million who are citizens, but from either being born in the Middle East or had visited and had been talked into Anti Americanism before then coming over here.
If you want to really really piss off the three million that are here right now and are as law abiding and every bit American as you and I, then let them read about your plans to round them up and send them,,,,,,,somewhere,,,,,because their families and homes are here.
Should every Muslim "looking" male be pulled out of line at our airports and strip searched?
as in profiled?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 30, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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how ironic is it that you can't spell FACT?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 30, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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There are roughly three million Muslims in the United States, and almost all of them are citizens.
They work and pay taxes and on Sunday go to their church, just like Christians.
They don't commit acts of terror. Norton, got to fact check you this one. Muslims don't go to their "church" on Sundays, at least that's not any special day for them.
You just gotta remember in the ME you have your Friday people, Saturday people, and Sunday people. Interestingly, they're all celebrating the same "Sabbath" in principle, I'm sure there's an interesting story about how the days all got switched, but I don't know it.
I'd stick with Saturday as being the most authentic.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
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Fakt: Muslims are causing MOST of the worlds terrorism attacks right now.
Nope
It's Americans and The Zionist Israel.
Americans are too stupid to even begin to understand who's really doing what .....
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 30, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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It's Americans and The Zionist Israel.
Exactly what the (multi-national)military industrial complex wants and pulls it off quite swimmingly I might add.
Endless $$$ via trumped up fear and some collateral damage, or whatever it is called now...YeeHaw!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 30, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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I'm not sure how we got here on this thread, but, days of worship aside, Norton pinpoints the problem. The American Muslim community is so overwhelmingly loyal that holding an individual American citizen of Muslim faith in suspicion makes as little sense as holding any other American citizen in suspicion.
To me, the Obama administration deserves praise for how it has handled the situation, while being politically under attack by both the left and the right. It has avoided anything so shameful as the Japanese internment camps, but it certainly seems to be keeping eyes and ears focused where the most likely threats will take place.
Sure it hasn't been perfect. Who or what has? And yes, it bothers me that the government was not forthcoming on the nature of the attack in Benghazi, but that's a rather small quibble in the overall picture. Overall, at least to me, this administration has done a good job of watching the real enemies of the United States without abusing loyal citizens.
John
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 30, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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John E, you have to kidding, take a look at the PC fiasco surrounding the Ft. Hood shooter--you really couldn't make that stuff up. If you think Obama's done a good job here, I pray we never get a president who does a bad job.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 30, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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Ron and Blahblah,
Boy, now everyone thinks I'm losing it (See the Republicans thread recently)
Maybe I am, but I didn't say that the Obama administration was perfect. Ft. Hood represents a clear mistake. So does Boston. But so do 9/11, the Cole, Nairobi, etc. My support of the Obama administration on this issue reflects the administration's willingness to resist the anti-antiterror factions of both Democrats and Republicans.
If you want to see someone doing a bad job, just elect someone like Jim McDermott or Rand Paul, and see what happens.
john
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