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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 25, 2011 - 12:12pm PT
no that's his special blend C#m sauce...

He would go from home to honky-tonk collecting the ingredients in SF and the east bay....

Then spend time savoring his own personal special blend.

P.S. "Our regulators were lax and the banks/lenders went too far and the government, Dems and Repubs, were cheering them on. Fingers should be pointed at just about everyone, including the socialist Jingy."

 Regulators were lax? I tend to think that regulators were not paid by the republican/democrat president to do the job thoroughly, not to mention the very people who were being regulated being able to steer the car.

"and the banks/lenders went too far'

 Right.. there was no market incentive to do the right thing. They just created this vehicle to make money and lit the fuse without anyone looking.


"and the government, Dems and Repubs, were cheering them on"

 do I have to say it again?
The very people who are being regulated are being put in jobs of being regulators. If you take a chairman from the banks and put him in the job of regulating the banks then he really has no job to do, he's not working for the people, even though he has a title, and he will be getting paid by the very corporation that he was supposed to be regulating once his year of regulation is up at the state department and he heads back to work for the banks....



"Fingers should be pointed at just about everyone, including the socialist Jingy."

 Wow... it almost sounds as if I had a hand in the banking/housing bubble...

Have I ever mentioned my families long standing bank? Have I ever mentioned my privileged upbringing as the son of a wealthy bankers child?

Right...

I never have, because that is not my upbringing. That is your fatty. And pointing a finger at me would get everybody nowhere (which may just be exactly what you'd want) when the extended middle finger should be pointed in your direction. You, after all, have mentioned plenty of times your families bank. Leads me to believe that you may not have made all your money yourself. I'm thinking that you may have a person reason why America should do away with inheritance taxes. Which is more that likely the reason that you vote cons into office.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 25, 2011 - 01:07pm PT
I'm not sure that you even 'see' an issue to be corrected.

Jingy, you just never seem to hear what I've been saying for a while. You think this is a republican, rich-guy problem.

Think of Uptick rules, Glass-Stiegal, and most importantly, Fannie/Freddie. And SEC dudes actually prosecuting people.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 25, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
Important Reading:

Has Financial Development Made the World Riskier?

Located @ http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kc.frb.org%2Fpublicat%2Fsympos%2F2005%2Fpdf%2Frajan2005.pdf&ei=XNvPTqTDLYr3sQKOuq3bDg&usg=AFQjCNHV-zfE6QRBP1CvGU2d4tiDc-Pi_Q


There were people tapping the bankers on the shoulders long before the whole house of cards fell down.
The free market/corrupt crooks kept doing what made them the most money. The free market failed everyone.

Free market has proven itself to be foul-able.
Free market cannot be trusted to save us all.
Free market is not as great as the republicans make it out to be.
Free market is not a responsible method of driving society toward the good of all mankind.

Free market is quite the opposite of what a republican will tell you it is.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 25, 2011 - 01:47pm PT
Jingy, free markets are absolutely corruptable. This is why we have regulated markets. The problems arise when barriers and regulations are revoked or not enforced.

To think this is solely a Republican thing is naive. You think Dems don't have lobbyists getting them to relax rules and modify regulations? How do you think Fannie/Freddie were established?

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 25, 2011 - 04:23pm PT
"The Free Market, with resonable regulation is the best economic model."

 So I guess you and I have a difference of opinion on the definition of "reasonable regulation".

Sounds to me like you and blew are coming around to my way of thinking.

Republican (cons) lines have always been total de-regulation, and here you both are talking about regulations being needed…

Please, put a little more thought into this tiny part of the lopsided discussion and get back to me with specific


You are correct in that it was not all cons acting to undermine the American public.
But I recall that it was Bush who appointed Paulson to Treasury Secretary… Paulson was the CEO of Goldman/Sacks when this occurred, so.. yeah… it wasn't entirely repukes fault…. but they certainly had a huge hand in setting everything up to fail…

Blewme, you might want to look up that stuff about Fanny/Freddie…



k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 25, 2011 - 04:31pm PT
The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists [during OWS protests]. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."



They want your first amendment.



It gets worse:

In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.




Question:

But wait: why on earth would Congress advise violent militarized reactions against its own peaceful constituents?




Eye opening:

The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 25, 2011 - 05:08pm PT
philo,

You'll be happy to know that the IDF uses CS on Palestinian protesters.

The evil one

No surprise there DaftRat, The IDF is a criminal organization run by radical religious fundamentalists who are guilty of war crimes. Just your kind of bigboys eh Fatty.
You barf on about Muslim Clerics. Well they are the ones who stopped the Egyptian violence recently by being able to talk to both sides.
Meanwhile the rabid Zionists Rabbis won't even let Male and Female soldiers attend the same dances. Now who are the progressives and the peace makers?
And who are the whack jobs?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 25, 2011 - 05:15pm PT
In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons.
Yes clearly violent dirty hippies who want their student loans paid off for free.

When will the SkiptDipts and BlewBoyz turn off FuX Noise and wake up.





I find it appallingly funny that big bad climbing mountain men like Fattrad think walking around the edge of a sidewalk would be so inconvenient. OhNo I got my Ugs wet and dirty. Ewwwwe.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 25, 2011 - 08:03pm PT
It looks like Occupy L.A. is folding their tents and hitting the road Sunday night at midnight.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/villaraigosa.html

"You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here"

This should be interesting.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 25, 2011 - 08:05pm PT
Welcome to the Hotel Occupy! You can check out any time, and you had better leave.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 26, 2011 - 12:56am PT
K-man,

Yep.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2380642

The Shocking Truth About the Crackdown on Occupy
The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence.
by Naomi Wolf
November 25, 2011


But just when Americans thought we had the picture – was this crazy police and mayoral overkill, on a municipal level, in many different cities? – the picture darkened. The National Union of Journalists and the Committee to Protect Journalists issued a Freedom of Information Act request to investigate possible federal involvement with law enforcement practices that appeared to target journalists. The New York Times reported that "New York cops have arrested, punched, whacked, shoved to the ground and tossed a barrier at reporters and photographers" covering protests. Reporters were asked by NYPD to raise their hands to prove they had credentials: when many dutifully did so, they were taken, upon threat of arrest, away from the story they were covering, and penned far from the site in which the news was unfolding. Other reporters wearing press passes were arrested and roughed up by cops, after being – falsely – informed by police that "It is illegal to take pictures on the sidewalk."

In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests.

For the terrible insight to take away from news that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated a violent crackdown is that the DHS does not freelance. The DHS cannot say, on its own initiative, "we are going after these scruffy hippies". Rather, DHS is answerable up a chain of command: first, to New York Representative Peter King, head of the House homeland security subcommittee, who naturally is influenced by his fellow congressmen and women's wishes and interests. And the DHS answers directly, above King, to the president.

So, when you connect the dots, properly understood, what happened this week is the first battle in a civil war; a civil war in which, for now, only one side is choosing violence. It is a battle in which members of Congress, with the collusion of the American president, sent violent, organized suppression against the people they are supposed to represent. Occupy has touched the third rail: personal congressional profits streams. Even though they are, as yet, unaware of what the implications of their movement are, those threatened by the stirrings of their dreams of reform are not.

Read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/25-7
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Nov 27, 2011 - 03:16pm PT
if ows has its way...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904491704576572552793150470.html
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2011 - 07:23pm PT
Everything is corruptible because everything reflects the human nature that inhabits it.

That's why systems of Checks and Balances are good, because they keep any particular interest or power from getting full control and prone to full abuse

PEace

Karl
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Nov 27, 2011 - 07:46pm PT
Looks like Phillie OWS has decided to become sitters locking arms and blocking a public sidewalk. Bad move.

Why are they so anxious to be entertained by Mr Pepper Spray!
Hope that the video is as good as the last one!

..and it will be seen as a public service message to show that our police will protect the civil rights of citizens to walk down a street without being prevented by nut cases anarchist underachievers.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 27, 2011 - 09:08pm PT
Your Front Yard is a Battlefield: Senate To Vote On Legislation That Allows U.S. Military to Detain
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2386498
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/your-front-yard-is-a-battlefield-senate-to-vote-on-legislation-that-allows-u-s-military-to-detain-citizens-without-charge-or-trial_112011
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA


Your Front Yard is a Battlefield: Senate To Vote On Legislation That Allows U.S. Military to Detain Citizens Without Charge or Trial

Chris Anders
ACLU
November 25th, 2011

While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.

The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

-continued-

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/your-front-yard-is-a-battlefield-senate-to-vote-on-legislation-that-allows-u-s-military-to-detain-citizens-without-charge-or-trial_112011

You can go to the ACLU site to contact your Senators about this:

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA


And idiots wonder why there is an OWS?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 27, 2011 - 09:17pm PT
http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_purdy_living_beyond_limits.html
This is well worth the watch regardless of political, ethnic or religious orientation.
This is humanity excelling. An inspiring lesson to US all.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 27, 2011 - 09:18pm PT
The Senate has been incapable of getting anything done for years. What makes you think this will be the one thing they'll be successful in doing?
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Nov 27, 2011 - 09:50pm PT
Why are you all upset?

I'm quite happy I live in America.

Life is good and it is up to me to fail or succeed, go USA!!!!

I ignore the talking heads and have a good time, so quit bitching".

Life is up to you not them.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 27, 2011 - 10:13pm PT
http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_purdy_living_beyond_limits.html
This is well worth the watch regardless of political, ethnic or religious orientation.
This is humanity excelling. An inspiring lesson to US all.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Nov 27, 2011 - 10:19pm PT
Why are you all upset?

I'm quite happy I live in America.

Life is good and it is up to me to fail or succeed, go USA!!!!

I ignore the talking heads and have a good time, so quit bitching".

Life is up to you not them.
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