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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 22, 2011 - 11:36pm PT
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Lol. That is all. Throughout.
And always.
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jfs
Trad climber
Upper Leftish
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:25am PT
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Man I hope I never have the misfortune of meeting this Mimi in person. Not that she'll care what I think...I've never met her. But I see absolutely nothing redeeming in her posts here online. At the very least, her online persona is sickeningly juvenile, pitifully immature, and filled with the kind of hate and anger I don't want anywhere near my life.
What a wasteful and sad life. Sincerely...it is an utter waste. And utterly pitiful.
And I certainly don't understand her defenders who know her outside of the taco. I expect my friends to hold me accountable for ALL of my actions. I don't get a free pass just because I'm typing instead of speaking. My friends would rightfully disown me ... or at least call me out on it. I'd not count them as my friends if they didn't call me out.
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Da_Dweeb
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:25am PT
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Werner –
Thanks for the reply.
Da_Dweeb
What do you want from me?
I can't do anything here.
Let these guys do their thing.
It's not important.
Don't meddle in another mans vice ......
Well, I can see where you’re coming from on a number of these points.
This has been going for years, it seems like we’re powerless to change the way this dance goes at this point. It seems pointless to even try. But I have heard you express the sentiment on several occasions that you would like it to go differently. That after 30 years there could be some resolution or detachment. Correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth, but based on previous posts you’ve made, that’s generally the impression that I have gotten. If that’s the case, you’re not alone, and I’m thinking some change in the way things go is in order here. I also am not yet prepared to despair of that possibility.
I can't do anything here.
As I said in the previous paragraph, I can understand the sentiment. However, I think that you have more potential to be effective here than you give yourself credit for. As I said, you are a well respected individual and your opinion carries a lot of weight. I believe that puts you in a position where you have more capacity to do good here than you may realize.
Certainly during this current salvo, nothing useful can be accomplished – they’re going to have to finish unloading, and when they have, there’s a possibility of helping things to go differently at that point.
Let these guys do their thing.
It's not important.
Don't meddle in another mans vice ......
Well, I can see how all of this isn't very important. It’s just a rock climb. It’s just a territorial fight. What happened happened, and if people can’t move on from it, then maybe the best thing to do is let them fight it out without pointless interference. However, if we take this into the realm of personal meaning, I can see differently – it _is_ important. Very important. To them. To all of the major players. If it weren’t important, all of this would have died down a very long time ago. From an existential point of view, everything has as much value as we as individuals assign to it. Stay with me, I’m going somewhere with this.
I believe I’ve heard you say similar to this, but correct me if I’m wrong. Given its intensely personal nature, this fight has conjured a staggering volume of bile and venom, and look at what’s happening to some of the participants – that venom, that bile is etching their reputations, their rock climbing careers, even their spirits and souls. And, while I will understand if you feel differently, that is important to _me_. I am hoping to a certain extent it’s important to you as well, and I believe based on prior posts by you that to at least some extent it is.
I’m not saying it’s our responsibility, our obligation, or our duty to change things here, but I will say that the opportunity for us to attempt to improve this situation presents itself. And the choices we make ultimately define who we are, in the personal and the spiritual realm. I don't know about you, but for me personally, I’d like to be the person who strives toward that opportunity. Again, I’m hoping to at least some extent the same is true of you.
What do you want from me?
Well, as I see it, this whole plan depends on some level of cooperation between you and me. Any plan I put forth by myself will be shot down – and for good reason. It’s well known and established that I firmly support Mark and Richard. I don’t think there’s any excuse at all for what has been done to them, and I don’t see any possibility at all that I’ll change my mind on that. So I need the help of someone who DOESN’T have that point of view. Someone who doesn’t necessarily agree with that assertion, and who can approach the other camp without immediately being taken for an enemy. So how about this – just listen to what I have in mind. Send me a PM and I’ll respond to it with my idea. Give me your feedback in private, and we can either go from there or abandon the idea, if it seems it just won’t work.
Hope I’m not being too pushy here, I just feel that the timer is ticking. If this doesn’t get resolved BEFORE that SA report gets put up, I really don’t see any possibility of real closure being reached. And I see that as damaging the possibility for complete healing for all parties concerned.
Please, let me know your thoughts, and send me a PM if you want to at least hear me out.
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Mimi
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:30am PT
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Bwana:
"Again the conflation between style and ethics."
You sir, sucked at both. And gleefully though you saw it as suffering.
Bwana:
"Yeah, Mighty, this is where the rubber meets the road with that principle. I'm sure you don't want a theology lesson, so I'll spare you. But when there is a principle of systematic abuse, you go after it.
Blather deleted.
Besides, strictly speaking, we HAVE been turning the other cheek. We have not responded in kind: no lies, no threats of violence, and no shyting on the critics, among other things. LOL"
Not quite, Rubberhead (or was that the other guy), you cracked your lilly white asses at one of the grandest granite monuments in the world. GFYS!
As with all of your previous lawsuits, bring it on. I should join the church and sue you for decades-old fraud. How much did you profit from this charade? Paid with church funds for your slideshows.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:37am PT
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So Mimi, in the cute cat photo, which cute cat would you be?
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:43am PT
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Hudon, you tell me. You're the one who's hauling a stuffed gorilla pal along on your solos. Did Pete say that was one of the essentials to succeed as robustly as he has? Just asking. And crying for more bolts at the bottom of the East Ledges!!!!11111
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Captain...or Skully
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or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:46am PT
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That's pretty funny, comin' from a cartoon. Why, I oughta........;-)
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:47am PT
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Which cat am I? I think the leaping cat looks more heroic and I'd like to be that one, you know, on the attack, aggressive, but the other cat appeals to me also, rooting for the underdog, almost being forced off his perch. If I had to choose though, I'd be Heroic Cat.
And yeah, a pillow simply for comfort and more bolts although Hollyclimber lined me out on that deal.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:56am PT
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FACT: DADWEEB WERNER PEES ON YOU FROM A GRATE HITE.... LOL!!!
Hi, Weld_It!
Thanks, at long last I have a fact attributed to me! It feels like I've finally reached a rite of passage in this thread!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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WhatinHell? Cartoons aren't allowed meltdowns, as far as I've heard.
Or thought. Or they're required.
Carry on.
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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22k dab
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:57am PT
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Yes, she did, Marky. I was really proud of her giving you the what for on that one.
There is no doubt that this saga attracts the 'support the underdog' mindset. For those not in the know or having done enough reading with comprehension or having enough climbing experience on a wall to 'relate' to the facts, those people get sucked right in. I think it goes back to good old-fashioned idealism. And also supporting perceived antiestablishment views; the evil locals vs the newcomers. These guys weren't idiot savants, they were idiots, and the locals at the time recognized this. If I seem mean, too bad.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 23, 2011 - 12:59am PT
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John Middendorf writes:
"I don't believe the route was put up in good style, both from the number of bolts that were used, and the techniques willfully intended."
John - there are more bolts/rivets per foot of rock climbed on Flight of the Albatross than there are on Wings of Steel.
"To me, big walls aren't a place where one tries to "make a mark" in difficulty, it's about finding a natural line and climbing it in good style."
Bollocks! How can you call the bolt ladders up to the Canoe a natural line?
Steve Grossman writes:
"Eight placements in a row over on the Jolly Roger warranted only an A4+ grade.[sic] I'm not sure what your standard of comparison would be in the hooking arena. Eight placements in a row even you can comprehend..."
[He means rating, not grade. Jolly Roger is a Grade VI]
Wow, Steve - you must be light if you think eight hooks in a row makes an A4+ rating. Over on the right side, I've climbed any number of routes with eight or even ten hook moves in a row, and some of those pitches are only rated A4.
Scott Cosgrove writes:
"SG, Wos is harder than Jolly Roger ask Ammon, and get over yourself!"
Well, I could climb Jolly Roger [barely, it was hard] but I couldn't climb WoS - it is *really* hard. Jolly Roger remains one of my all-time favourite El Cap routes.
JM - I'm just yanking your chain. I really liked Albatross. However I stand by my argument.
Cheers,
Pete
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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Apparently those who solo hard routes on El Cap like teddies. So?
So did the original Teddy, Roosevelt.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:05am PT
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Why would you buy angst, supposin'?
That stuff's free.
Unlike Rum. Arrrrrggh.
Matey.
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:18am PT
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Pete, do you really want to stumble down this road and criticize JM and SG? Are you nuts? You are a self-indulgent slob up there. Everyone with half a brain knows this. Please get over your self. Sheeesh!!!!!!!111 You're like a drowning man. Clinging to this story is your 15 minutes. Really sad but I guess you'll be taking one for the team. Or perhaps several by the time it's all done. LOL!
Edit: No, stinkeye, you are a moron and continue to dodge the thrust of the arguments. If you had a brain, you'd have read many posts promoting clean aid. This topic comes up more often as of late. More homework.
Anders: I'm so glad you don't have a pic of Pete's crab. LOL!
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:33am PT
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Not likely Dweebus.
Some of you take things so seriously. Don't you see the humor and entertainment potential here? We sure do.
Aw Dweeb, you deleted your post. Back deleting will lead to much worse things. Didn't you see what it did to AC? He got banned for it.
You've been hit by every pie in this fight. Hang tuff, kid, or are the drycleaning bills getting to you? Savor the cream. mmkay!!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:38am PT
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Too many pies, not enough ducking. Just remember to duck.
TRY! Seriously.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:40am PT
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Whether or not Pete has crabs, I don't have a photo of them. And if I did, I wouldn't admit it let alone post it here, let alone post it with photos of snuggly fuzzy morale-building teddies.
To quote Gollum: "Doesn't know. Doesn't want to know."
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 01:44am PT
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Mark's teddy kinda scares me! Looks like it has a shitty ass grin on it's face. Haha
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