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Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 5, 2009 - 12:48am PT
There is no one like Jesus, accept God! Everything He did and said is the coolest ever!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 5, 2009 - 02:08am PT
Ed,

I'm going to direct you to PhD. Gerald L. Schroeder, and his books. He is a distinguished physicist and biblcal scholar. He knows the Hebrew language really well and can argue your questions.

The Science of God:The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom
http://www.amazon.com/Science-God-Convergence-Scientific-Biblical/dp/1439129584/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257404021&sr=8-1

Genesis and the Big Bang: The Discovery Of Harmony Between Modern Science And The Bible
http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Big-Bang-Discovery-Harmony/dp/0553354132/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257404021&sr=8-6



God does seem to question his choice in doing certain things. Great Men of God have reasoned with God and have changed his mind temporarily. God does seem to want a relationship with Man.

I suppose he took a huge risk when he created Man with free will. But I guess he took the risk, because it was worth it, since someone who chooses to love you out of free will -- this is an incredible and powerful experience. Why would God want a Robot who did everything he wants it to do? He wants a real relationship with Man. And we should desire to want to have a real relationship with God.
MH2

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 12:35pm PT
people have said that the Bible is the literal word of God, so I would like to understand just what that means.



Those people are wrong, Ed.


Further, it makes no sense to talk about 'the literal word of God' unless you specify a language. I find it hard to believe that God spoke to any human in that human's own language, although it does seem possible that a symbolic system was used which got messages across despite inevitable misunderstandings. After all, words only represent things; they are not the thing itself. The same is likely to be true of religions.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Nov 5, 2009 - 12:57pm PT
Sorry Gobee but Thor is way cooler than Jesus.

Thor has the cool hammer, he creates thunder. He parties. He's buff.

Jesus had a lot of cool teachings, but Thor is the coolest God.
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:07pm PT
MH2 -- "I find it hard to believe that God spoke to any human in that human's own language .."

If people can talk to you in plain English why wouldn't God be able to.

Most of you are total mental speculators projecting all your biases, insecurities, mental hang ups, fears, happiness, distress etc etc etc onto the the world around you.

You do not see it the way it is, but by your projections onto the world outside of yourselves.

You color the world with your own faults.

That is the main stumbling block .........
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:08pm PT
I heard that god's literal language is 'C'.
MH2

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
If people can talk to you in plain English why wouldn't God be able to.


I think you are using logic where it doesn't apply but otherwise I agree with you.


I heard that God's binary language is 0(death) 1(life).
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
I think you are using logic


You just did it again: "I think"

This means you do not know (you're guessing) and are speculating and projecting again ......
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:23pm PT
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
I think I really like Piccard's continued presence on this thread, therefore, I do.
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:34pm PT
You're like the guys who row their boat out into the ocean to dive for the pearl and stick their head in the water and say we didn't see any pearls.

So no pearl, instead goes and buys the pearl from a vendor who's selling fakes.

Another guy rows out there but never prepared himself correctly to dive deep enough. He comes back and fails.

Thus the failed guys say "there is no pearls out there"

They never went to the master diver to learn.

Thus the idiots imitate the master and claim knowledge.


the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:46pm PT
Werner how do you know everything you believe is correct?

How did you end up with Vedic beliefs?

I know I joke around a lot and don't take this stuff very seriously but I'm sincere with these questions. How does a dedicated climber who lives in Yosemite become involved in an Eastern religion? Or are these beliefs you had since youth?

I really doubt a lot of the religous beliefs and find some things like the caste system offensive, but I really do appreciate concepts of Karma and Yoga, like I appreciate the unconditional love teachings of Jesus.

WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 01:57pm PT
How did I end up with Vedic beliefs?

I studied everything and dug and dug and dug deeper.

I did not stop digging deeper.

How do you know everything you believe is correct?

This has to tested in a scientific method.

Do it yourself, there are grades of knowledge.

Kindergarten to advanced schools.

Just reading a book is kindergarten. You have to apply the knowledge with experience that correlates to/with the truth.

Just like my crude example of the pearl diver. It's so simple.

But everyone makes it so complicated because they themselves are so complicated.
WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Nov 5, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
Werner,

Thinking is bad? Speculating--making educated, logic-based guesses--about possibilities and probablities of things that cannot be known with certainty is bad?

And just knowing is good? Being certain about things you CANNOT be certain about (unless you are god; are you god?) is good?

What separates you, what makes you right and others wrong, how are you any different from a fundamentalist---when you express the view that your certainty about things you cannot be certain about; just accepting what the vedas tell you--is preferable to using your mind for what it does best?

Thinking and speculating have given us so much of what has bettered our lives--religion gives us nothing but mindless certitude.
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
Wanda

Then just keep guessing and groping around in the dark.

A smart man will get a flashlight or headlamp and find his way.

Thus he's thinking correctly .....
MH2

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 02:19pm PT
I think that language isn't up to every purpose but we use it anyway.

I just took the dogs out for a walk and God wouldn't shut up; the slap of feet on wet pavement, the roar of wind in the cedar, a woman taking her daily swim pushing against the wind out of the harbor, gray clouds on Eagle Bluff, the sweep of El Cap, the Moon circling, time and space stretching away back to approx 13.8 billion years. I don't think that God has any message beyond what you can see for yourself, or, if you are a dog, smell.
WBraun

climber
Nov 5, 2009 - 02:58pm PT
MH2 .... Yes

This is intelligence, you're willing to accept this much.

Not that one says: "everything is bullsh'it"

The inferior energy of God, is matter manifested in different elements, namely earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego.
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 6, 2009 - 08:32am PT
Trust in God and His Son for He is GOOD!
dirtbag

climber
Nov 6, 2009 - 09:47am PT
The New Testament = edited hearsay.
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 6, 2009 - 09:15pm PT
Oh, Why Thank You!
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