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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 10, 2015 - 10:04pm PT
Democrats, meanwhile, pointed to the Cuban Missile Crisis, warning that it would have been unfathomable for Republicans to try to undercut President John F. Kennedy’s negotiations with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. “I cannot imagine the Congress writing a letter . . . in the midst of those discussions and saying: ‘Don’t worry about this guy Kennedy. He doesn’t speak for the country,’ ” said Sen. Angus King (I-Maine). “And yet that’s essentially what happened.”

“It is never a good idea for elected leaders to give foreigners, and especially foreign enemies, a formal invitation to join our domestic arguments,” said Phil Zelikow, who was a senior adviser to former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice. “It is not the conduct one would ordinarily expect from leaders of a great power.”

Many in the GOP foreign policy establishment, meanwhile, expressed disappointment over the increasingly partisan nature of U.S. foreign policy. Former senator Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), who previously served as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, described Cotton’s letter as “an unfortunate venture” and said he would have advised the freshman senator and Army veteran not to send it.

“Either these senators were trying to be helpful to the Iranians or harmful to the commander in chief in the midst of high-stakes international diplomacy,” she said. “Either answer does discredit to the letter’s signatories.”

Degaine

climber
Mar 11, 2015 - 01:57am PT
JEleazarian wrote:
Senate must ratify any treaty, since they're dealing with the first Post-Constitutional administration

Bold by me.

Did you write that last bolded part tongue-in-cheek? Hard to tell with the two-dimensional Internet.

When it comes to foreign policy, and most domestic policy as well, I see little difference between the Bush and Obama administrations other than perhaps a little window dressing(Obama is center-right at his most left).

You never had any problems with Bush trampling all over the US Constitution, why the sudden change of heart?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Mar 11, 2015 - 07:01am PT
From the Clash Daily Alerts



The THING in your brain!!!! I spewed my coffee when I read this email. I was half expecting the video to say it is triggered by liberal thoughts. BUT, I couldn't sit thru any of it lol! I swear, the people who foment this stuff seem to be only in it for the money. Everything is, "have to buy it now because the government is going to take it down as soon as they discover it!" It's a pressure sales pitch pure and simple.





Jorroh

climber
Mar 11, 2015 - 08:06am PT
JEleazarian....."Look Ma they're doing it too"

Do you really think those two situations are equivalent?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 11, 2015 - 08:30am PT
McCain has a long record of violating the Logan Act.

http://blogs.britannica.com/2008/08/john-mccain-as-agent-provocateur-in-the-georgiarussia-crisis/


If this information is correct, then, by inference, John McCain emerges as the most likely suspect as agent provocateur. First, McCain had a unique and privileged pipeline to President Saakashvili (shown to the right in the photo to the right). McCain’s top foreign policy advisor, Randy Scheunemann, was a partner in a two-man firm that served as a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government. Scheunemann continued receiving compensation from the firm until the McCain campaign imposed new restrictions on lobbyists in mid-May. Scheunemann reportedly helped arrange a telephone conversation between McCain and Saakashvili on April 17 of this year, while he was still being paid by Georgia.

Second, while most Senators would hesitate to conduct their own private foreign policy, McCain follows his own muse and defers to no one, including the President of the United States.

Third, McCain has benefited politically from the crisis in Georgia. As with the Eisenhower administration’s rhetoric of liberation, McCain’s swift and belligerent response to the Soviet actions in Georgia has bolstered his shaky standing with the right-wing of the Republican Party. McCain has also used the Georgian situation to assert his credentials as the hardened warrior ready to do battle against a resurgent Russia. He has pointedly contrasted his foreign policy experience with that of his Democratic opponent Barack Obama. Since the crisis erupted, McCain has focused like a laser on Georgia, to great effect. According to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released on August 19 he has gained four points on Obama since their last poll in mid-July and leads his rival by a two to one margin as the candidate best qualified to deal with Russia.

Although McCain does not speak officially for the Bush administration, Saakashvili would likely take very seriously any communication from the presumptive Republican Party nominee for president. As with the CIA in the Hungarian crisis of 1956, McCain may well have given the Georgian president greater assurances of American backing for his actions than the US government could provide.



and then we have this photo of McCain posing with ISIS Freedom Fighters
He wanted to supply them with arms.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 11, 2015 - 08:31am PT
The supreme court has made it clear that binding agreements with other nations can be made by the executive branch without rising to the level of a "treaty" requiring the advise and consent of the senate. This is done regularly by every administration. Not doing so would be ridiculous and completely unworkable.

At what point something becomes requiring of a treaty I do not know.

Any president that would have to deal with a congress that makes the "do nothing" congress look like loyal heavy laborers basically has no choice but to push forward as much as possible by executive action.

If necessary you let the supreme court decide if you went to far.

Only an idiot for a president would attempt to work with this congress. Obama was an idiot for a while. But he seems to be learning.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 11, 2015 - 08:40am PT
I guess JE's Post Constitutional America started with Nixon


Yes, Nixon Scuttled LBJ's Vietnam Peace Talks

It’s been rumored for years. Now we have real proof.

By JOHN ALOYSIUS FARRELL
June 09, 2014

Did Richard Nixon’s campaign conspire to scuttle the Vietnam War peace talks on the eve of the 1968 election to capture him the presidency?

Absolutely, says Tom Charles Huston, the author of a comprehensive, still-secret report he prepared as a White House aide to Nixon. In one of 10 oral histories conducted by the National Archives and opened last week, Huston says “there is no question” that Nixon campaign aides sent a message to the South Vietnamese government, promising better terms if it obstructed the talks, and helped Nixon get elected.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623.html#ixzz3U5kfT54K

This has just came out with the LBJ tapes being made available..
LBJ didn't make a stink about it at the time because they were illegally wire tapping Nixon. But he called it Treason, and could not believe Presidential candidate would commit such a crime.



And then the Great Conservative Reagan

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-iranian-hostage-crisis-a-cia-covert-op/5324385

“October Surprise” the Ronald Reagan-George Bush team paid the Iranians not to release 52 American hostages until after the November 1980 Presidential elections.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2015 - 09:07am PT
Logan Act?

Are you sure it doesn't involve the lovely Jessica?


10b4me

Social climber
Mar 11, 2015 - 10:05am PT
That the only way for Iran to have a lasting agreement is via treaty?

I believe that is correct, Dingus. However, treaties are broken all the time. Just ask the American Indians.
WBraun

climber
Mar 11, 2015 - 10:47am PT
Democrat Senator Bob Menendez criminal extraordinaire.

The criminals in DC are everywhere.

Instead this stoopid thread only one sided bullsh!t.

Nuke this pile of sh!t thread!

You politarded loons need help that nobody can provide ......
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 11, 2015 - 11:04am PT
I believe that is correct, Dingus. However, treaties are broken all the time. Just ask the American Indians.

I believe it was "the Founder of the Modern Democrats, Andrew Jackson," who said, regarding a Supreme Court decision in favor of a native American tribe against the Jackson Administration, "The Supreme Court has made its decision. Now let them enforce it."

Then again, Iran is a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, so what, exactly, are we getting from Obama's initiatives?

As I said earlier, the 47 Senators sending their letter is stupid on their part, because it allows the anti-Republican partisans in the press to make the letter, rather than the Obama foreign "policy," the issue.

John

P.S. Werner, there are, indeed, too many in Washington - and in the world generally - who apply rules to themselves that differ from the rules they apply to others. I'm therefore sure it's a mere coincidence that the Holder Justice Department announced their targeting of Menendez just after Menendez denounced Obama policy publicly.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 11, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
It probably would be, Dave, if the current administration wasn't showing the same contempt for the rulings of the judicial branch.

John
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2015 - 01:36pm PT
In case you had any doubt, rest assured, Senator Cotton is a Bona fide nut.


In 2013, he introduced an amendment to legislation that would impose penalties on family members of persons who violated sanctions against Iran. Morality aside, it is also prohibited under Article III of the Constitution.

Of course, he is now the new love object for the Tea Party.


m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3322251
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Mar 11, 2015 - 01:56pm PT
Contrary to what cotton wrote in his little US civics lesson the senate does not ratify treaties. What an embarrassing shitshow congress has become.
Degaine

climber
Mar 11, 2015 - 02:16pm PT
JEleazarian,

Are you really as blindly partisan as your last few posts appear to indicate?

Again, the Bush administration had complete disregard for the judiciary and for treaties for that matter, yet we never read any criticism coming from your keyboard.

JEleazarian wrote:
As I said earlier, the 47 Senators sending their letter is stupid on their part, because it allows the anti-Republican partisans in the press to make the letter, rather than the Obama foreign "policy," the issue.

Why the "policy" in quotes?

Honest question, can you not see beyond Obama's Democratic party label? His foreign policy picked right up in January 2009 where Bush's left off. It's almost a perfect linear continuation of it. The drone strikes (and associated strategy), assassinations, Gitmo, etc.

Given that you had no problems with Bush's foreign policy, what is it exactly that bothers you about Obama's?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 11, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
Honest question, can you not see beyond Obama's Democratic party label? His foreign policy picked right up in January 2009 where Bush's left off. It's almost a perfect linear continuation of it. The drone strikes (and associated strategy), assassinations, Gitmo, etc.

What, exactly, is the Obama administration's foreign policy, Degaine? Yes, Obama hasn't shut down Gitmo yet, although he keeps saying he wants to (unlike Bush). And if you'd read my posts, you know that I strongly supported Obama's reluctance to intervene in Syria after Assad "crossed the line."

Beyond that, I cannot discern a coherent foreign policy from this administration. About the only thing the Obama and Bush administrations share for sure is inadequate intelligence in the middle east.

John
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Mar 11, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
Getting out of the invasive wars was a good start, but as mentioned before regarding Gitmo.. Why lie? Why appease? Oh, and the drone program, that there is Nobel PP worthy eh?!
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Mar 11, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
Someone clue D'Kos in that the war is still on in over there.
Our guys are still putting lead into the terrorists.
Advisory positions are listed on paper for the gullible bleeding hearts.


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 11, 2015 - 03:41pm PT
Lindsay Graham's defense policy would apparently center around using the military to overthrow Congress: http://benswann.com/graham-military-force-congress/


While visiting the Concord City Republican Committee on March 7th at the “Politics and Pies” forum, the 59-year-old Senator asserted that American ground troops would be necessary to defeat ISIS. In addition, he advocated for the reversal of defense spending cuts and, as President of the United States, Graham would restrict the movement of lawmakers until those cuts are reversed.

In a chilling statement, Graham said he would not allow Congress to leave D.C. until his demands are met, declaring he would use United States military force to keep them there.

“…and here is the first thing I would do if I were President of the United States, I wouldn’t let Congress leave town until we fix this. I would literally use the military to keep them in if I had to.”

In response to questions about the incident where he was speaking to citizens of New Hampshire, Graham's office responded:

“Due to the large volume of mail I receive, I regret that I am only able to respond personally to inquiries from South Carolinians.”

Republican primaries are the best reality show ever. This is going to be an awesome year. Maybe not 2012 awesome, but awesome.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2015 - 03:51pm PT
And Graham is one of the more moderate ones.
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