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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 24, 2013 - 08:50am PT
bluering said
Asked for descrip and they called him young male Latino, they must have profiled.

bluering doesn't "get" profiling. Shocker.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 24, 2013 - 08:55am PT
Hey Ron, you don't have to "back down" to be upfront.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 24, 2013 - 09:17am PT
Ron said
Many Blacks in the country dislike those that bring them down,, just like my Mexican friends not liking the illegals that bring their race down. And just like the white trash brings my neighborhoods down.

This is an amazing couple of sentences.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 24, 2013 - 09:44am PT
hey that petty song is deep man...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/juror-b29-maddy-says-zimmerman-got-away-with-murder/2013/07/25/a636ec2a-f55a-11e2-aa2e-4088616498b4_story.html


Two weeks after George Zimmerman was acquitted in the death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, the only person on the jury who is a member of an ethnic minority said in an ABC News interview that Zimmerman “got away with murder.’

Juror B29, identified only by her first name Maddy, sat down with ABC’s Robin Roberts, to discuss the trial for “Good Morning America.” As the first juror to show her face on camera, Maddy expressed both conviction and regret.

‘Justice for Trayvon’ rallies across the U.S.: Protesters chant and march, calling for a federal investigation and changes to “stand your ground” statutes after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida.

“You can’t put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,” Maddy said of Zimmerman.

A nursing assistant and mother of eight children, Maddy, 36, who is Puerto Rican, said she believed she owed Trayvon Martin’s parents an apology because she felt “like I let them down.”

She also said that the case shouldn’t have gone to trial and that it was “a publicity stunt.” Despite this, she said the decision weighed heavily on her.

“It’s hard for me to sleep; it’s hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin’s death. And as I carry him on my back, I’m hurting as much [as] Trayvon’s Martin’s mother because there’s no way that any mother should feel that pain,” she said.


Or, as The Onion put it:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/zimmerman-found-not-guilty-technically-but-cmon,33124/

In Our Defense, These Were Some Pretty F*#ked-Up Laws And We Were Ordered To Deliberate In Accordance With Them
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
No, Slate (that bastion of right wing reporting) has a pretty good expose of the ABC hack job referenced above.
But clearly the juror was troubled by Zimm's behavior; pretty much in line with the more astute ST commentators--Zimm's behavior was likely morally troubling, but not legally actionable. (I say "likely" b/c we don't really know what happened.)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/did_george_zimmerman_get_away_with_murder_no_juror_b29_is_being_framed.html
Did George Zimmerman Get Away With Murder?
The media are reporting that a juror says Zimmerman is guilty of murder. That’s not true.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
Why was Trayvon Martin yelling "get off me"? Was Zimmerman illegally attempting to restrain him, when Trayvon elbowed George in the face and he fell down?

Why no blood coming from Zimmerman's nostrils (Sanford police cell phone photo), but rather drops descending from the tip of his nose?



HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
The Slate article seems a bit obtuse:

You have to watch her, not just read her words, to pick up her meaning. As she struggles to answer, she looks as though she’s trying to reconcile the sentiment that’s been quoted to her—that Zimmerman “got away with murder”—with her own perspective. So she repeats the quote and adds words of her own, to convey what she thinks: that there’s a justice higher than the law, which Zimmerman will have to face. She thinks he’s morally culpable, not legally guilty.

We know she thinks he's morally culpable, not legally guilty...that's why they acquitted him! She's frustrated that the law is not capable of holding him to account for his moral failings. The sound bite might not be as legitimately pithy as the media would like but the sentiment is.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 28, 2013 - 07:53am PT
"Many Blacks in the country dislike those that bring them down,, just like my Mexican friends not liking the illegals that bring their race down. And just like the white trash brings my neighborhoods down."

It's uncomfortable for lilly-white liberals to confront this fact.

All black, white, asian, and latino people I CHOOSE to hang with are pretty cool. I have profiled them, it's human nature. Not based on skin color, but the quality of their character.

I get along better with latinos than I do with most whites. Vietnamese also. And Filipinos.

Japs and Chinese are a whole different story. They look down on white people, and all other races.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 28, 2013 - 09:16am PT
Japs and Chinese are a whole different story. They look down on white people, and all other races.

Yes. Unlike you. You only hate the haters...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2013 - 10:06am PT
bluering posted
It's uncomfortable for lilly-white liberals to confront this fact.

All black, white, asian, and latino people I CHOOSE to hang with are pretty cool. I have profiled them, it's human nature. Not based on skin color, but the quality of their character.

I get along better with latinos than I do with most whites. Vietnamese also. And Filipinos.

Japs and Chinese are a whole different story. They look down on white people, and all other races.


So you don't judge people on the color of their skin but the content of their character....




....unless they are "Japs" or Chinese (or "lily whites").


The more you guys try to steer around your prejudices with your eyes closed the harder you keep running into them.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 28, 2013 - 10:39am PT
I knew that would get you guys riled up...

Jap that I work with calls himself that all the time. Bastards won't let him back to Japan because of his family heritage. (WWII general).
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 28, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Do you call black people niggers?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 28, 2013 - 10:41am PT
what color are the bastards?

here's one from your buddy and savior JC. from the lily-white Edition.

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 28, 2013 - 11:44am PT

Jap that I work with calls himself that all the time. Bastards won't let him back to Japan because of his family heritage. (WWII general).


Hi Steve,


I have to tell you, most Yonsei in the U.S. dislike being refered to as "Japs."

Eastern Idaho has a significant population, many of them potato farmers, who came here during the Japenese diaspora between 1880 and 1920. Most are very proud of their ethnic/racial heritage but I've met very few who I would call "arrogant" or believe they are better than everyone else.

I try to refrain from my own tendency of stereotyping a mass group of people by one or two "bad apple" members within it.

Most Japanese Americans make very loyal and even tempered friends...
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 30, 2013 - 09:54am PT
No one bitching about white on white crime and white culture of violence but this guy? Crazy assed Californians.

http://gawker.com/video-of-violent-rioting-surfers-shows-white-culture-o-954939719

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:04am PT
bluering said
I knew that would get you guys riled up...

Jap that I work with calls himself that all the time. Bastards won't let him back to Japan because of his family heritage. (WWII general).

Many black folks refer to each other endearingly as "niggas." You should feel free to do the same.

The "I know a guy who is cool if I call him that so it's ok to do it all the time" excuse has to be at the top of "shit ignorant white people think about race" list right after "I can't be racist because I know this one black guy" and right before "we have a black president so racism is over."
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:25am PT
http://gawker.com/video-of-violent-rioting-surfers-shows-white-culture-o-954939719

re^^^^^^^video

pretty weak stuff


not a single punch thrown
4 porta potties pushed over
no other damage

maybe that's why only one (self appointed anthropologist crackpot) dude is bitching...

shouldn't you be bitching about White-on-Sanitation vandalism?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:48am PT
In this age of initials, acronyms, and hybrided names I really don't see "Japs" as pejorative compared to words like nigger, kike, spic, etc.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:51am PT
except it's not an Acronym, initials or coined in this age. Just exactly like the others, It is a pejorative term coined by our grandfathers.
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