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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
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If she had actually shot him, she'd be up on either murder or attempted murder charges.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
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Jim Brennan posted Marissa was free and clear of the abusive dick but felt a compulsion to return with a gun and shoot off a round to "warn" the bastard.
Zimmerman was free and clear but didn't want the "punks" to "always get away" and yet the jury decided that the actual confrontation happened when the two men came into close physical proximity. By that standard Marissa's confrontation didn't start until she was back in the house with the gun and feeling threatened by her self-admittedly abusive husband.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
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Uhm Jim, it was HER house.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
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Warning shots are never called for, and will always get you in trouble.
It's a felony every time, no matter what.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
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Are you advocating shoot first, shoot to kill and ask questions... Ah never mind just whip out your smart phone and video the corpse.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
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Marisa Anderson is the victim of a "gun control' law that mandates a twenty year sentence with no discretion by the judge.
Why aren't you all applauding that?
The stand your ground part was made mote by the fact that she left the room, went out to her car, got a gun, came back, and then shot.
There's also the part that the jury heard and no one wants to mention that AFTER this all happened, weeks or months later she assaulted her ex and was arrested, convicted and sentenced to time served on that totally separate case.
We have a case of a couple who both like to fight and a 'gun control" law run amok.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
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and returned to where the treat was
Do you think she was just after the marzipan?
Or is it even remotely possible that she as a mother of three and being not as informed on Florida Law as our resident legal experts she was really trying to get a dangerous repeat offender out of her and her kids house?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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Dr F writes:
"so you are saying that she should have shot her husband
That was her only way out"
She was already "out". Free and clear. Then she armed herself, and returned to assault her old man.
If she had shot the guy, she'd be in more trouble.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
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We've been thru that warning shot thing with you before, Chaz. Even showed you an example of a guy who fired a warning shot and was not charged.
Some people would rather not take a life, even if they can get away with it, odd as it sounds.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
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No one is saying she should have left everything behind and run leaving it up to a police department that had let her down repeatedly. The other is saying she should have shot to kill first.
So Chazman if you were to get driven out of your house by a violent repeat offender would you move into the local homeless shelter?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
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How would that happen? Me, being driven out of my house?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
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Hypothetically. You know walk in another's moccasins.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
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mute
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 23, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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They are already a mote in the moat and need to be mute on their moot point.
There I fixed it for you.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 23, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
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Had to load the ole' shotgun today. Police (3 of them) wanted to search my property for a robbery suspect. 3 cops for that?
Asked for descrip and they called him young male Latino, they must have profiled.
Anyway, didn't have to chamber a round today. All's clear.
And one cop actually commented on my climbing wall. "Nice climbing wall you got there".
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jul 23, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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This thread is like syphilis.
The gift that keeps on giving even though you really wish it wouldn't.
True dat^^^
Personally I find this thread is like a bad accident on the side of the highway that makes you wonder how bad the victims are injured.
Oh wait ....was that Zimmerman pulling the WHITE victims out of the car. No doubt he would have let them burn if they were black. Heck he was prolly the guy that ran them off the road.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 24, 2013 - 01:08am PT
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But if she had killed her old man, she would have been exposed to a FIRST DEGREE murder rap, which carries a potential death penalty in Florida.
The time it took her to get the gun and return to the scene of the crime would have constituted "premeditation", which would have fulfilled the component of capital murder in Florida.
She's lucky she missed. She could be on death row.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 24, 2013 - 01:12am PT
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This thread is like syphilis.
The gift that keeps on giving even though you really wish it wouldn't.
Best post in the whole thread.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 24, 2013 - 01:35am PT
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California law would have seen her convicted of first degree murder, had she killed her old man under like circumstances.
Florida law would still have had her serve a longer sentence had her bullets actually have hit her old man, no matter the state-specific legal nomenclature.
She's lucky she missed her target.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 24, 2013 - 07:54am PT
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Chaz stated Warning shots are never called for, and will always get you in trouble.
It's a felony every time, no matter what.
I don't know why we have to talk in circles on this. We all said the exact same sh#t like 20 pages ago. You guys keep arguing the letter of the law, which may be exactly correct, but you only argue the letter of the law because it allows you to avoid having to explain exactly how INSANELY F*#KING UNJUST the outcomes in these two cases are. There is literally no logical way you can defend Zimmerman walking away as being a just outcome and not ALSO BE OUTRAGED that that woman was sentenced for 20 years. But maybe assuming you guys are using logic is where I'm going wrong.
Chaz continued Florida law would still have had her serve a longer sentence had her bullets actually have hit her old man, no matter the state-specific legal nomenclature.
Again, not supported by the outcome of the Zimmerman case. If anything, the woman should have had a stronger case for self defense considering the abusiveness of the intruder in her own home. I don't know why all the zealous gun nut "nobody can count on the police I defend my OWN property and I'll shoot anyone who tries to take my stuff" people in this thread aren't all over this one.
Women need AR-15's to defend themselves from their abusive husbands! But only if they actually shoot them! Women who waste bullets shooting ceilings should go to jail!
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