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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 30, 2015 - 08:03am PT
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interesting dodge EdwardT...
while one is allowed to have any opinion one wants, the fact that one has an opinion doesn't imply that the opinion is correct.
in the matter of science, one can certainly maintain a particular idea, however, if that idea is shown to be incorrect there is nothing that compels the scientific community to consider that idea on equal grounds as the prevailing understanding.
for instance, in the matter of evolution, one does not have to consider alternatives e.g. intelligent design (which is essentially creationism in all instances) when that proposed alternative continues to fail scientific tests.
it is not censorship for the field to judge that papers written based on intelligent design do not meet the standards that all the other papers are judged by.
are you saying that Tol's article is being censored because it concludes something contrary to the prevailing view?
Chiloe is pointing out that Tol's paper fails to support it's conclusions.
That would not be censorship.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 30, 2015 - 08:12am PT
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"Just a two year animus with apparently psychological roots", vents Chiloe. This statement could well describe Chiloes two plus year defense of this crock of shet paper, If one didn't know better. That is; if one didn't know it was, by extention defense of his own career and funding .
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Mar 30, 2015 - 08:16am PT
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Interesting thread twist. A very common form of censorship used today is a combination of name calling and shouting down of whomsoever you do not agree with. Another specific form is, saying of people who generally accept the concept of global warming, saying it is their RELIGION. Following a certain stream of facts to a particular conclusion is not a religion. It may not be the correct conclusion, but it is certainly not a religion.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 30, 2015 - 08:18am PT
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This statement could well describe Chiloes two plus year defense of this crock of shet paper,
How about you, rick, can you read Tol's article? Pick one accusation that *you* think is accurate and important, explain why it's persuasive, and stand behind your "crock of shet" declarations.
If one didn't know better. That is; if one didn't know it was, by extention defense of his own career and funding.
You "know" many things that aren't true.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 30, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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Okay Chiloe, you say I know many things that are not true. Now prove it. Show us all that you haven't authored numerous AGW related papers. Show us all by listing funding amounts and sources that AGW related papers haven't been a major funding source for your "studies". Put up or shut up. Something stinks to high hell in this thread and I believe it is largely your blowhard ventings - CO2 no, more like sulfer dioxide.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 30, 2015 - 08:34am PT
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Okay Chiloe, you say I know many things that are not true.
Yep, you certainly do. You also make many, many false accusations -- either you can't tell what's real, or you don't care. Your "defense of his own career and funding" is just the latest in your very long string.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 30, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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I think Chiloe has been pointing to various aspects of Tol's paper that are incorrect, and testing Cook's paper showing that its conclusion stand up to those tests.
It doesn't have anything to do with Chiloe, except that he's pointing these things out...
Now if you don't like the conclusions (that Tol was seriously wrong, and that Cook seems to be completely consistent with what is happening in the literature) and you can't find the error in this demonstration, then I guess the only thing to do is to attack the person who is pointing this out...
rick not only is good at this game of innuendo and slander, but he likes playing it. That is what stinks here.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 30, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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You're no different than 99.9% of the human race Chiloe and you don't live under a special halo of truth. All humans are biased by partiality to continuance of subsistence sources ( modern pocketbook issues). The idea that scientists unerringly follow the thread of truth no matter its direction and results to their theories has repeatedly been proven untrue. Its a little hippocritical for you on one hand to condemn non CAGW believing scientists motives and bias's, then on the other hand be unwilling to provide your AGW related publication list and matching grants and sources.
And Ed, you too, my friend, are very good at your brand of subversion.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2015 - 09:57am PT
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Malemute posts about a "study" on denier funding. I ask for details on denier efforts.
The response is this silliness.
 EdwardT
"This silliness" is a Scientific American article that looks into denier funding. EdwardT doesn't like what the article says, and goes after Malemute.
"This silliness" is EdwardT not wanting to acknowledge facts as presented. For example, "dark money" efforts are untraceable, and are used to fund denier camps for a reason. Yet Eddie still want us to detail the monies spent on denier efforts. What a tool.
Little more than "yur dum, derp, derp, derp".
Only Sketch used that phrase--EdwardT is definitely the banned Sketch.
Sketch got banned for a good reason--he acted like a jerk. Eddie isn't far behind.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 30, 2015 - 10:45am PT
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K-man - I can always count on you to serve up stupid lies.
"This silliness" is a Scientific American article that looks into denier funding. EdwardT doesn't like what the article says, and goes after Malemute.
"This silliness" is EdwardT not wanting to acknowledge facts as presented. For example, "dark money" efforts are untraceable, and are used to fund denier camps for a reason. Yet Eddie still want us to detail the monies spent on denier efforts. What a tool.
"This silliness" referred to
Malemute
Ice climber
great white north
Mar 29, 2015 - 07:47am PT
a typical denier
For most people the connection is a simple one. Too bad it's so difficult for you.
Little more than "yur dum, derp, derp, derp".
Only Sketch used that phrase
Another K-man lie. LOL
http://www.supertopo.com/forumsearch.php?v=0&cur=0&ftr1=&ftr2=derp&ftr3=&ftr4=jammer&scope=all
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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The hypocrite mal-mutt just said: "You won't see a response from me because I don't see any of your posts."
If you can't see any posts then you would never had written any response to EdwardT period.
You're nothing but a self righteous hypocrite Malemute which has nothing to do with this thread topic at all but everything to do with your self righteous own self.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:23am PT
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You're no different than 99.9% of the human race Chiloe and you don't live under a special halo of truth.
Course not. But judging from our contributions to this thread I'm more honest than you are, rick.
The idea that scientists unerringly follow the thread of truth no matter its direction and results to their theories has repeatedly been proven untrue.
Whose idea is that?
Its a little hippocritical for you on one hand to condemn non CAGW believing scientists motives and bias's, then on the other hand be unwilling to provide your AGW related publication list and matching grants and sources.
Easier for you to rant than to read? Let me help with the reading. Here is a note answering Sketch's conspiratorial question about funding yesterday.
And here is a specific example, publication + acknowledgment of support, also from yesterday.
And here is an overview of that whole project, with all its scientists and sponsors ("NASCAR format" as Ed notes). Still from yesterday.
I see you jumped straight to ad hominem when I asked you to back up your proclamations about Cook vs. Tol, I guess that means you can't. Sketch changed the subject to sniping at k-man when I asked the same thing of him. But if you want another shot at substance, can you find a conspiracy in the project linked above?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:27am PT
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If you can't see any posts then you would never had written any response to EdwardT period.
Not true at all. He didn't grease k-man and that's where he read it.
I greased him and I see that statement in k-mans post.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 11:58am PT
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Fair enough Nature, my bad as I don't read and follow every post in this thread.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 30, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
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So senor Chiloe, are you now claiming authorship of only one AGW related publication?. The request was for a full AGW related publication list along with the accompanying funding sources so the good people here can decide for themselves about your claimed scientific and bias free extent of purity.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 30, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
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What about you Rick,where are your motives hidden?
Yes,people,scientists get paid to publish work.
That just in.
Laymen as yourself ,what is your motive?
Oil and energy stock ports?Blind party loyalist?
What is it,the need to disprove someone?
Whatever your reason ,it is not based in reality or fact.
As for SkEdTch........see above.
LOL V V V V V V
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
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Malemute posts about a "study" on denier funding. I ask for details on denier efforts.
The response is this silliness.
Odd, I thought you were talking about Malemute responding to your questions on denier funding.
So, Jammer, EdwardT, Sketch. Multiple personalities?
Once an ass, always an ass I suppose.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 30, 2015 - 12:29pm PT
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Wilbeer if you remember that far back, you'll remember that I used to believe in AGW before the unrelenting hype of non events in Alaska. Take for instance the claimed ever accelerating alaskan warming which actually was a distinct cooling from 1999 to 2012 and the supposedly endangered P-Bears which were in fact increasing in numbers. Hyped lies spurred me dig deeper and what I found was rotten to the core.
As for my bias: I freely admit im heavily invested in an oil state that derives 85% if its revenue from fossil fuel production. It's time for others to admit their bias' s. Take yourself for instance, in the past you revealed that you used to do solar installations for income.
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