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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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When my father inlaw went to the basement, he had to shut the door!
Or as a friend at work says, he's letting the kids play in the pool!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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When I take the words of the Bible in and sallow them whole, I've always been satisfied, Jesus is my Lord and savior!
Glorify God in the landscape of your mind, we are on Holy ground!
Jesus said, I have food you do not know of, to do the will of the Father who sent Me.
The Lord Is My Shepherd
A Psalm of David.
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures.
He leads me beside still waters.
He restores my soul.
He leads me in paths of righteousness
for his name's sake.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies;
you anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
all the days of my life,
and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord
forever.
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MH2
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I just came from the basement -- I was down there to get a glass of beer
Sure, Ghost, sure. You came from the basement, but where were you before that, etc., etc.,eh? We know that there are minds sharp enough on this thread to expose your ignorance ultimately. Good thing getting away with it so far, though!
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Before he was in the basement getting a beer, he was at his computer, of course.
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MH2
climber
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talk about "beating a DEAD Horse"...
As you like.
I have never seen anyone beat a dead horse, nor heard anyone talk of having done it, but it would show a charming degree of faith in unknown forces and it wouldn't bother the horse. It has also been used in humor long enough that the horse is fossilized and bears a likeness of Jesus. Could be Nazarene and a donkey. YMMV.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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GOBEE,
Hang in there! You have the patience of a Saint (lol).
The Bible . . .
Many writers through time and place, but one author -- GOD. I would also include the Book of Enoch. I'm sure there are other books that should have been included.
Try as Lucifer the author of confussion did to remove and make it nearly impossible for the Bible to occur, he couldn't keep it from happening and being published.
The greatest story ever told and by far the greatest best-selling book ever in all history.
A hidden code exists within that proves its authorship and value for all history and for all time.
God is amazing and far beyond anything we can ever imagine.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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talk about "beating a DEAD Horse"...
The Coming King of Zion
Zechariah 9:9, Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your king is coming to you;
righteous and having salvation is he,
humble and mounted on a donkey,on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
The Triumphal Entry
Matthew 21:1-11, Now when they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage, to the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, saying to them, “Go into the village in front of you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them and bring them to me. If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, ‘The Lord needs them,’ and he will send them at once.” This took place to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet, saying,
“Say to the daughter of Zion,
‘Behold, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on a donkey,
and on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’”
The disciples went and did as Jesus had directed them. They brought the donkey and the colt and put on them their cloaks, and he sat on them. Most of the crowd spread their cloaks on the road, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!” And when he entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred up, saying, “Who is this?” And the crowds said, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee.”
***Jesus though He was God humbled Himself, you would think that He being God would ride in on a big horse, but instead He road in on a donkey!
***Also He washed his Disciples' Feet!
John 13:1-20, Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end. During supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him, Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God, rose from supper. He laid aside his outer garments, and taking a towel, tied it around his waist. Then he poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples' feet and to wipe them with the towel that was wrapped around him. He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, do you wash my feet?” Jesus answered him, “What I am doing you do not understand now, but afterward you will understand.” Peter said to him, “You shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no share with me.” Simon Peter said to him, “Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!” Jesus said to him, “The one who has bathed does not need to wash, except for his feet, but is completely clean. And you are clean, but not every one of you.” For he knew who was to betray him; that was why he said, “Not all of you are clean.”
When he had washed their feet and put on his outer garments and resumed his place, he said to them, “Do you understand what I have done to you? You call me Teacher and Lord, and you are right, for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you. Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them. I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’ I am telling you this now, before it takes place, that when it does take place you may believe that I am he. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever receives the one I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.”
What a wonderful and loving Lord and savior!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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dirtbag
climber
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Wonderful show on PBS right now on the evolution of humans. Nicely explained for laypeople.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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ok, so you guys are basically here spouting bible quotes, etc, and a few people throwing tomatoes from the audience... everyone else seems exhausted.
So I'll ask you your opinion about the Bible's account of creation.
Taken literally, at least from the KJV, see http://www.bartleby.com/108/01/1.html#S1 , there are a few things that taken literally don't make sense to me and my idea of God...
first off, Genesis 1.3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
God creates light, but what confuses me is Gen 1.4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
I'm confused because it seems that God didn't know whether or not light was going to be good before he created it... but isn't he all knowing? he sort of winged it with light... "I'll just do it and see how it comes out"
Throughout the creation, Genesis is talking about Earth, that is rather clear... but water exists elsewhere as does land... God give man dominion "over all the earth" which seems limited in a universe full of stuff..
Finally, Gen 1.31 repeats the odd view that God didn't quite know what he was doing when he started out: "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
So if we are to take literally what the Bible says, that God created everything in 6 days, shouldn't all the other stuff be taken literally too?
Gen 1.27 states "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
God does look like us then, no?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Re Dead horse, MH2 read Nietzche and Dostoevevsky. It's a recurring metaphor with them, and they aren't the only ones.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Ahhhhh I forgot to record that KPBS program on TV tonight. I'll have to get it later. Hopefully it repeats.
Ed,
We'll have to get back to you on that. Deep stuff for sure, even in the Christian world many don't agree with one another regarding how Genesis exactly took place. Me = Theistic Evolution with God's creative works at very key moments and his continual watch. The Universe is as old as the Astronomical record indicates 14-15 Billion years. God doesn't make up fake geologic evidence to fool man. It is what it is. I believe when the full truth is known one day, Scientific Truths will completely agree with the Biblical Truths of God.
However, you can not come to God through pride and intellect. You have to humble yourself and ask forgiveness in humility. God does indeed humble the wise:
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 (KJV)
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
[19] For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
[20] Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[21] For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
[22] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
[23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
[25] Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
[26] For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
[27] But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
[28] And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
[29] That no flesh should glory in his presence.
[30] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
[31] That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Edit:
God does at times seem to admit that he regrets sometimes what he has done. Take the case of creating man, God essentially admits in Genesis to being sorry for making man.
Gen.6:1-8 (KJV)
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
[6] And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
[8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Thank God for Noah is all I can say at this time.
It is getting late. There is a lot in the above passages of scripture. Deep meaningful stuff. I'll come back to this tomorrow.
I guess that is the risk God takes when he creates creatures like man with free-will. They tend to have a mind and will of their own. Potentially dangerous stuff as we can all see.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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* Yahoo *
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dirtbag
climber
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Cry me a river bookworm.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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come on, dirt, aren't you intrigued by the disparate responses to these religions? you don't have to be religious to be curious
it seems to me, if atheists are really afraid of religion's alleged destructive powers, then their focus should be on islam right now
there are many self-proclaimed muslims who publicly call for "death to the infidels", but most atheists (christopher hitchens aside) seem concerned only about christians and jews
then, when anyone does speak out against muslim violence, they are quickly condemend for "bigotry" (again, christopher hitchens aside)
it's like the atheists who mock the pope because he believes jesus rose from the grave, but then line up to kiss the dalai lama's ass even though he claims to be the 13th/14th reincarnation of some dude who died centuries ago
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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"it's like the atheists who mock the pope because he believes jesus rose from the grave, but then line up to kiss the dalai lama's ass even though he claims to be the 13th/14th reincarnation of some dude who died centuries ago"
Bookworm,
Good observation. Perhaps certain faiths they perceive as a real threat and others they just laugh at. They hate to be wrong and it shows.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
-- Mahatma Gandhi quotes (Indian Philosopher, internationally esteemed for his doctrine of nonviolent protest, 1869-1948)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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We're in America folks. Of course people who want freedom from religion being forced on them are going to talk about Christianity because it's the predominant religion. Any true atheist is going to see Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Scientology or any other religion as myths. And of course the weak-minded Christians buy into all the victimization crap spouted by the right wing, there's far more aspects of Christianity accepted in American culture than any other relegion, to complain about Christian persecution in America is a crybaby move.
I'm an agnostic and I will concede the biggest threat to peace and stability is from radical Islam right now. But the Christian abortion Dr. killers are just as evil, they are just far fewer of them than crazy muslims.
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