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wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 13, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
Deniers=Pawns of the FF mafia.

thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/13/3633362/iea-co2-emissions-decouple-growth/


Holding up Growth and Development,You all should be Proud.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 13, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
Fee and Dividend
is another name for Revenue Neutral Carbon Tax.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sedor-climate-change-fee-and-dividend-vs--cap-and-trade-20150306-story.html
AndyMan

Sport climber
CA
Mar 13, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
Come on scammers. No one has had the balls to attempt an answer to the most fundamental question:

IN YOUR OWN WORDS (because I'm sick of links to alarmist crap) what is the EVIDENCE that man's CO2 has caused any of the warming since the Little Ice Age? The warming that STOPPED 2 decades ago.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 14, 2015 - 08:21am PT
2nd hottest Feb in GISS record. Last 12 months hottest in record.


http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2015 - 08:30am PT
No Global Warming for 18 years and 1 month.


Wow AndyMan, you sure look clever posting a graph you picked off of some blog!



AndyMan, can you tell us in your own words why your graph is accurate?
WBraun

climber
Mar 14, 2015 - 08:35am PT
Yes

You violent so called human beings who have no respect for the living entities on this planet and continue to
maintain massive industrialized slaughterhouses deserve everything you're getting.

Your stupid science, stupid graphs and stupid data will never help you until you stop your violent destructive actions against material nature and onto to your own selves.

You disrespectful barbarians claiming you are advanced are nothing but animal and human slaughter machines.

Until then material nature will continue to keep throwing nothing but extremes back at you.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2015 - 08:37am PT
Speaking of extremes, meet Pam:


Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 14, 2015 - 09:21am PT
2nd hottest Feb in GISS record. Last 12 months hottest in record.

Here's a graph to go with Monolith's global map:

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 14, 2015 - 09:36am PT
I see the trolls like Chiloe are still out in force with graphs built on industry fudge data. The whole field is rotten to the core, a self sustaining welfare program for legions of enviro science grads slopping at the trough. The sad thing, as always, is that they expect John Q. Public to pay for their visions of doom with their freedoms and income. Carry on clowns.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 14, 2015 - 10:29am PT
Wow AndyMan, you sure look clever posting a graph you picked off of some blog!

What's your beef with blogs?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Mar 14, 2015 - 10:35am PT
Your stupid science, stupid graphs and stupid data will never help you until you stop your violent destructive actions against material nature and onto to your own selves.

Sorry, but it's not stupid, but I hear you. It's only the science that shows us we can't step off the eco - logical - train. Anti-Science is for Ted Cruz et al.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 14, 2015 - 01:26pm PT
A few days after Texas Senator Ted Cruz told NASA Administrator Charles Bolden why he thinks that the space agency ought not to study the Earth (Bolden disagreed strongly), Jay Famiglietti, senior water scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory/Caltech, wrote an earthly Op-Ed for the LA Times:

California has about one year of water left. Will you ration now?

As difficult as it may be to face, the simple fact is that California is running out of water — and the problem started before our current drought. NASA data reveal that total water storage in California has been in steady decline since at least 2002, when satellite-based monitoring began, although groundwater depletion has been going on since the early 20th century.

Right now the state has only about one year of water supply left in its reservoirs, and our strategic backup supply, groundwater, is rapidly disappearing. California has no contingency plan for a persistent drought like this one (let alone a 20-plus-year mega-drought), except, apparently, staying in emergency mode and praying for rain.

In short, we have no paddle to navigate this crisis.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 14, 2015 - 03:01pm PT
Sorry to disappoint Chief, I teach art. I only dabble in science on supertopo with the rest of the armchair amateurs like you.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 14, 2015 - 08:19pm PT
Life's too short to take this shet seriously...seriously
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 14, 2015 - 10:57pm PT
don't speak for Kman, Chiloe, EDH, Malmuts et al, nor do you.

I'm all out of arguing...and that don't (never did) mean a thing.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2015 - 09:00am PT
What's your beef with blogs?

Blogs are great for folks who want to post their opinions, and folks who read them should realize they are just opinions.

But real science doesn't occur on bolgs, and many of the "facts" posted on "climate-change denial" blogs have been thoroughly debunked.

AndyMan posts one such "fact," and demands that we address it in our own words. But ask him why he thinks his graph is valid, and he can't.

Blogs are an inexpensive way to sew distrust of climate science into the fabric of the discussion. They don't take a lot of money to run (much less than a true peer-reviewed scientific publication). You can pay one guy a measly sum to post up a bunch of scientific nonsense, and it takes a concerted effort from the science community to squelch the junk. This type of attack distracts the discussion from where it needs to go.

WUWT was the first to break, and later fuel, the email controversy that hit the climate science community. Later, the episode proved to be one grand distraction. That makes me wonder who funds the publication of that blog.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Mar 15, 2015 - 09:55am PT
I'm pretty sure Heartland Institute has been involved with WUWT. Something came out a couple years ago about that....can't remember exactly what....not gonna search right now. I'll let you.

Also, there's a guy in the UK that's buddies with WUWT that got his computers confiscated during the email scandal.....easy search there.

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/movies/review-merchants-of-doubt-separating-science-from-spin.html?_r=0

LET'S GET THE LEAD BACK INTO GASOLINE TOO:

http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0003a/copyright/leadgas.html

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-ethyl-poisoned-earth/
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 15, 2015 - 10:49am PT
Blogs are great for folks who want to post their opinions, and folks who read them should realize they are just opinions.

But real science doesn't occur on bolgs, and many of the "facts" posted on "climate-change denial" blogs have been thoroughly debunked.

AndyMan posts one such "fact," and demands that we address it in our own words. But ask him why he thinks his graph is valid, and he can't.

Blogs are an inexpensive way to sew distrust of climate science into the fabric of the discussion. They don't take a lot of money to run (much less than a true peer-reviewed scientific publication). You can pay one guy a measly sum to post up a bunch of scientific nonsense, and it takes a concerted effort from the science community to squelch the junk. This type of attack distracts the discussion from where it needs to go.

WUWT was the first to break, and later fuel, the email controversy that hit the climate science community. Later, the episode proved to be one grand distraction. That makes me wonder who funds the publication of that blog.

So when you say blogs, what you really mean are skeptic blogs. And you seem to think they're nothing more than outlets for lies and anti-warming propaganda.

It that about right?

In my opinion, blogs like WUWT and Climate Etc. are excellent sources of valid information that challenges warmist dogma. They expose the BS warmist spin for what it is. A good example is NASA's press release on 2014. While it's true WUWT does post stories long on attacks and short on hard facts, warmist bloggers and journalists publish the same kind of disingenuous BS.

Maybe, if people didn't reflexively assume WUWT was lying, they might learn a thing or two.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Mar 15, 2015 - 10:59am PT
Haha! It's so funny to see somebody defending WUWT. LOL. To equate the denial side with the 'other' side is ludicrous.

WUWT is dog crap on a sidewalk built by a civilization heading toward being advanced.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 15, 2015 - 11:01am PT

Maybe, if people didn't reflexively assume WUWT was lying, they might learn a thing or two.

I would rather say that if people learned some basics about science, mathematics and logic they would see that a lot of the stuff posted on WUWT is just crap. There might be some interesting things posted there once in a while but most of the things I have read is definitely not.

I really don't seem a reason to complain about blogs in general though. Some of the blogs actually post interesting and correct information most of the time.

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