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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2015/03/09/if-all-you-see-1424/
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Mar 9, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 9, 2015 - 08:13pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2015/03/08/if-all-you-see-1423/
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 9, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
Craig that makes it look like a new dark age descending.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2015 - 06:44am PT
Denial anti-reality mongers?

Falling fast?

Oh my. Let's amp up the hateful rhetoric.

EPA chief Gina McCarthy recently demonstrating an exceptionally poor grasp climate change science.

Last week, Swiss citizens voted on an initiative that would have scrapped the Alpine country’s value-added-tax system and replaced it with a carbon tax, a move that would have made gasoline, heating oil and other forms of power more expensive. The measure was supported by 8% of the voters.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2015 - 06:58am PT
It's all about moving the conversation forward.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 11, 2015 - 08:48am PT
It's all about moving the conversation forward.

With lots of snide one-liners.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 11, 2015 - 09:14am PT

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 11, 2015 - 09:15am PT
the Honorable Senator Sessions in TGT's link above gets many things wrong, but interestingly he claims that the recent temperatures are 90% below the model projections... now I don't expect the Senator to have any idea what a 90% Confidence Interval is, but apparently no one on his staff does, either, and whatever blog they poached the false "factoid" from also didn't have an idea.

But the Senator certainly has a trollish wit about him on this topic... and he knows how to read his lines with conviction... but acting convincing isn't the same thing as being convincing.

Who's clueless? he has no idea what it is he's saying.



I'd ask EdwardT what he thinks a 90% Confidence Interval is, but he'd probably just ask a snarky question back...
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2015 - 09:21am PT
I'd ask EdwardT what he thinks a 90% Confidence Interval is, but he'd probably just ask a snarky question back...

Another close call averted.

"The ’climate modelling paradigm’ is in ’crisis’. It is just a new paradigm we are waiting for."
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Mar 11, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
2 ^ "Threat from both global cooling & warming peddled in UN report".
E Munster et al. 8 March 2015. Retrieved.







EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 12, 2015 - 07:27am PT
Speaking of scienceyness, here's one of my favorites.


Dana Nuccitelli is awesome.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 12, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
A few pages back I posted an updated sea level graphic. Greg Laden has one too, only his is funnier.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 12, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
Some folks just don't get hyperbole.

Or sarcasm.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 13, 2015 - 09:31am PT
That's probably Joman construction. Could be over ten thousand years old. The funny thing is its not unique. There are many more ancient underwater villages to cities being found around the continental coasts all the time. During the height of the last glacial maximum sea levels were more than a hundred meters lower than todays.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 13, 2015 - 10:12am PT

From Wikipedia:
This figure compares the Hallam et al. (1983) and Exxon eustatic (global) sea level reconstructions for the Phanerozoic eon. The Exxon curve [1] is a composite from several reconstructions published by the Exxon corporation (Haq et al. 1987, Ross & Ross 1987, Ross & Ross 1988). Both curves are adjusted to the 2004 ICS geologic timescale.

Hallam et al. and Exxon use very different techniques to measuring global sea level changes. Hallam's approach is qualitative and relies on regional scale observations from exposed geologic sections and estimates of the areas of flooded continental interiors. Exxon's approach relies on the interpretation of seismic profiles to determine the extent of coastal onlap in subsequently buried sedimentary basins. Hallam is insensitive to rapid fluctuations in sea level. Exxon is sensitive to rapid fluctuations but tends to overinterpret local geologic changes resulting in bias towards reporting unphysical rapid fluctuations.

The depth scale is as reported by Exxon. Because Hallam is reported as qualtitative (i.e. uncalibrated), these sea level changes were scaled to match the Exxon record during the period 0-250 Myr.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 13, 2015 - 10:18am PT


More from WikiP (a reasonable place to start if you're trying to learn the basics):

Current sea level rise is about 3 mm/year worldwide. According to the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), "this is a significantly larger rate than the sea-level rise averaged over the last several thousand years", and the rate may be increasing.[2] Sea level rises can considerably influence human populations in coastal and island regions[3] and natural environments like marine ecosystems.[4]

Between 1870 and 2004, global average sea levels rose a total of 195 mm (7.7 in), and 1.46 mm (0.057 in) per year.[5] From 1950 to 2009, measurements show an average annual rise in sea level of 1.7 ± 0.3 mm per year, with satellite data showing a rise of 3.3 ± 0.4 mm per year from 1993 to 2009,[6] The reason for recent increase is unclear, perhaps owing to decadal variation.[7] It is unclear whether the increased rate reflects an increase in the underlying long-term trend.[8]

There are two main mechanisms that contribute to observed sea level rise:[9] (1) thermal expansion: ocean water expands as it warms;[10] and (2) the melting of major stores of land ice like ice sheets and glaciers.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 13, 2015 - 10:53am PT
Sea level rises can considerably influence human populations in coastal and island regions[3] and natural environments like marine ecosystems.

How many people were forced from their homes due to the sea level rise of the last 150 years?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2015 - 04:26pm PT
How many people were forced from their homes due to the sea level rise of the last 150 years?


Gosh Eddie, I don't know. How many?

But what has me really curious is this: What is the point of this piece of knowledge?
It seems pretty irrelevant to me.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 13, 2015 - 05:44pm PT
latest vague forecast of El Nino

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/03/05/el_ni_o_it_s_here_and_it_will_boost_global_warming_to_record_highs.html
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