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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
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January 15th looks familiar
I guess they have fog in San Francisco, too?
down to the sea in shoes
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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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Jan 25, 2009 - 01:50pm PT
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...fog? you mean summer...
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Chiloe
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Lee, NH
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Jan 25, 2009 - 05:30pm PT
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Around this time of year, I think more about oceans. But not the British or Canadian ones.
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2009 - 03:24am PT
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^^^^^^ a rosy cheerful picture with not much chance for the subject to look self-conscious
Around this time of year, I think more about oceans. But not the British or Canadian ones.
A while ago I was googling for "frozen seas" to find who had said that writing breaks the frozen seas within (Kafka, not Dostoevsky (or vice versa)), and Mars showed up. I'd scavenged a bunch of Mars photos for a project and one of them had looked a lot like pack ice with a dirt coating.
So what oceans do you think more about, this time of year?
Tami, it is a Grouse raven. Thanks for mentioning the guy on the stairs. I saw him at the gym this afternoon and my first thought was, "Do I know him?" Until I remembered taking the picture.
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Chiloe
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Lee, NH
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Jan 26, 2009 - 10:29am PT
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So what oceans do you think more about, this time of year?
Blue tropical ones with hundred-plus viz, dark walls falling into the deep, reef squid
or big manta rays flapping their wings just out of reach.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jan 26, 2009 - 12:23pm PT
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I'd scavenged a bunch of Mars photos for a project
What project had you scavenging Mars photos?
I know someone who filled all the floors and table space in his basement with the
highest-quality large prints of Magellan radar imagery from Venus. And this had
to do with oceans.
His theory was that current orthodoxy is wrong. Venusian scientists conventionally
interpret thousands of roughly circular depressions covering the surface of Venus
as being signs of endogenous processes -- mantle upwellings or downwellings, of a
type seen nowhere else in the known universe. They argue thus because some of
those circular depressions don't have the same form as impact craters, which do
account for the circular depressions found on other planets and moons.
Here's where the shining sea comes in. My friend's theory is that the Venusian
landforms that don't look exactly like craters really are craters after all -- but
ones from meteorites striking the seas of an earlier Venus.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 26, 2009 - 01:01pm PT
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Back to planet earth, the ladybug detector is twitching and trembling. What creature is it in the upper right hand corner of the photo that MH2 posted on January 25th? Is it the elusive, shy West Vancouver winter ladybug?
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2009 - 05:13pm PT
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Is it the elusive, shy West Vancouver winter ladybug?
Alas, no. By the miracle of photography it is a brassy summer leftover, recorded in the log as Ladybug #3.
Back to outer space.
Is there a more proper term than 'Venusian scientists', like selenogist for those who study Lunar geology?
I took a geology class taught by Tim Mutch. He wrote a book about the Moon, then transferred his attention to Mars. He also climbed at the Gunks in the 50s and has a first ascent or two with Jim McCarthy. He told me that Mars had a kind of terrain, called chaotic, that had no close counterpart elsewhere. That was back in 70/71.
Tim Mutch was director of the team that designed and built the first camera that was landed on Mars.
My Mars project was just a brief re-surfacing of youthful fascination with the Red Planet, but with updated images, in two parts: The Best of Times/My Luv is like a Red Red Rose/Nicky Spence and The Worst of Times/The Eternal/Joy Division.
Much better really to think about the deep blue oceans with
life in them.
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tolman_paul
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Anchorage, AK
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Jan 26, 2009 - 05:53pm PT
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Looking at the Chugach Mountains from Montague Island
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jan 26, 2009 - 06:47pm PT
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Is there a more proper term than 'Venusian scientists', like selenogist for those
who study Lunar geology?
A word exists, cytherology, but it hasn't gained any traction. "Planetary geology"
might seem like a wrong term, but it's widely understood.
Or "Venusian plumology" is a vaguely pejorative term for the orthodox school of thought
on this topic.
Whatever you call it, the field sits in darkness without much new data, compared with
sexier Mars or the Jupiter/Saturn moons.
I was reading an article today about which would be more exciting (deserves the next
space probe), Jupiter's Europa or Saturn's Titan. And in keeping with this thread
topic, the attractions of both are their seas.
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2009 - 11:49pm PT
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THE CHUGACH!
Thanks for that. A nicely mysterious view of them, too.
I had a roomie in Chicago who moved to Anchorage. Or wanted to. I think he had to get through law school in Florida, first. He planned on doing Law of the Sea, a big issue back in the 70s and perhaps still.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Cythera/Kytheria on a strange shore
Cythera or Kytheria. Do they both start with a "kuh" sound?
Dean H.
Randy A.(fore) and Liam H.(back)
John from Boulder and Greg F.
Well-known Coast Mountains authority and Waddington guidebook author Don S.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jan 27, 2009 - 10:27am PT
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Cythera/Kytheria on a strange shore
Cythera or Kytheria. Do they both start with a "kuh" sound?
Or Cytherea. For that picture I'd go with the soft c.
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kinnikinik
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b.c.c
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Jan 27, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
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duncan
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London, UK
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Jan 27, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
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Steve said "Anyone done the Devil's Slide? "
I visited Lundy for the first time this summer and it's a magical place. I deliberately didn't do the Devil's Slide itself as I want to have an excuse to come back. It's about 5.5 and I'm leaving it 'til I'm 75 (goats have been seen to solo the crux, a friction traverse, a 400' slide if they get it wrong). We did do Albion (the corner with the black streaks coming out of it), a fine 5.7 and The Shark 5.9, left again,overlooking the slab. There is a very fine-looking 5.7X right up the middle called Satan's Slip which I didn't get round to doing. Not many photos as it was overcast and grey most of the time, but here is one of a little new line we did. There are not many places in the UK you can still climb quality new 5.7s.
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2009 - 07:12pm PT
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Last Saturday January 31
the shining sea below
a separate reality above
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Whacking golf balls into the sea has small enough impacts in the greater scheme of things,
except for some hapless sea creatures who might try to eat them.
Somehow the sheer casualness of the action reminded me of Jeremy Jackson's provocative research
(with emphasis added, below).
The biology of the ocean is very rapidly changing state from complex to simple, from 3-dimemnsional
to 2-dimensional, from heterogeneous to homogeneous, from food chains capped by large vertebrates
to those capped by small invertebrates, and by explosive increases in microbial biomass. The
human drivers are overfishing, pollution, introduced species, aquaculture, and climate change --
probably in that order of importance historically if not actually. Rates of change are accelerating
and may be difficult to reverse. The rise of jellyfish and bacteria and demise of animals
effectively erase half a billion years of Phanerozoic evolution, taking us back to the
latest Precambrian before the explosion of metazoan life. What kinds of species will dominate
the ocean? What are the most likely future scenarios, and what are the implications for our use of
the oceans and our way of life? Fishers have found good markets for the jellyfish, but not yet for
the bacteria. Do we even want to try?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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But on a cheerfuller note, and on topic:
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richross
Trad climber
gunks,ny
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A Dare by the Sea,Otter Cliff,Acadia National Park,Maine.1985 Photos by Geoff Ohland.
There is another photo upthread taken from above by our friend Karen.
I got these today after being contacted through Supertopo by my old friend Geoff.
Harry Ohland more recently.
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2009 - 06:16pm PT
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Bacteria and jellyfish, he says? I guess there would still be a lot of these around, too.
I just heard on the radio about Google Oceans. "You can follow Great White sharks as they swim around Vancouver Island."
Yikes! I hope they keep their distance from my side of the strait.
A purely irrational fear, of course. Unlike fear of oceans in trouble.
This summer one of these
floated under me
and I worried what it might do to me if I fell on it.
Irrational fear.
Another time this summer I met Randy Atkinson, picture upthread, out on the traverse and he talked for a while about how much more sea life used to to be evident there not too many years ago.
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