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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Dingus, I mean the US gov't of course. It's we because this would be a good use of MY tax dollars.
We choose to meddle in the wrong conflicts and cause more chaos than we were trying to quell.
In the case of Nigeria we have a pretty solemn in Googluck Johnaton is is simply overwhelmed by Islamic radicals hell-bent on killing Christians - Girls, boys, mother, fathers, doesn't matter. Just destroy Christianity.
If we (our gov't) can't get behind this, then we run the risk of being akin to German civilians and others who stood by as certain people were being slaughtered just because of their religion and ethnicity.
Couchmaster (Bill), you really can't see the yellow balloon dots on my map link?
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Dingus, I suppose you'd be against deposing Morsi, Ghaddifi, and Assad then too, right? Because they aren't in our interests, right? Same with Sudan?
The religion of Nigerians isn't important here, but the clear intent of genocide.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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So WE should sit this one out in Nigeria, because it may be too religious? Or it's not in our interests? Or both!
EDIT: And no I am not in favor of deposing the leaders of other countries' governments. Certainly not in favor of deposing them using the sons and daughters of others.
How about Ukraine, where neo-Nazi sh#t-disturbers ousted the prez of Ukraine, should we be involved there? (I say no, Putin has it under control).
Also, you make it sound like our boys would not want to go to Nigeria. Most Marines, Army I know would be itching to go take these Boko Haram guys out, kinda like the 2 SEALs in Benghazi who refused orders to stand-down.
They want to fight bad guyz, and liberate oppressed people. That's what they do.
This particular fight is worthy IMO.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Dingus, you try to cop-out by making everything personal, using 'my kids' over there. The fact is, that I chose to pursue electronics in Silicon Valley while my bros chose military life. We need BOTH!
I'd be very proud of my son if he joined the military in a combat manner. Takes mucho balls!
And I probably would have supported him fighting in Afghan, Iraq, and most definitely in Nigeria. Maybe not Iraq....
But Nigeria is a no-brainer to me. We, yes we, have tools in the toolkit to handle this effectively. They train and live for this stuff.
And to save these girls is why they do it. They have no qualms doing this kind of work. I refer specifically to SEALs, British SAS, and Delta.
They exist for this stuff. Watch 'Tears of the Sun' if you get a chance. The parallels to Nigeria are stunning. Almost exact.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Where did Savage come from?
You missed my point, that spec operators live for missions like Nigeria. They did not sign up to be ultra-badasses to avoid conflict.
This Nigerian thing is a situation where spec ops guys are just itching to get their hands on these rats, to free the girls.
It was the same with Benghazi. The Rangers in Tripoli were begging to go.
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TGT
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So Cal
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Anyone who is shocked that the left would make common cause with Islamists has forgotten the Black Panthers. From the left's point of view they are doing the same thing by bringing on board a group with some revolutionary energy and a willingness to overthrow the system. Associating with them gives the left some revolutionary cred and the supposed ability to turn the violence on and off.
If you think that's farfetched, what do you think happened in 2008 when a completely inept hack blew through Hillary Clinton and John McCain on a pledge to end the wars and repair our relations with the Muslim world? Why exactly do you think the Democrats chose a man with no experience except a few books about growing up in a Muslim country and Hussein as his middle name? Why was that man then awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for no discernible accomplishment?
September 11 and its aftermath is why Muslims have gone to the top of the Victim Value Index. The left may swear up and down that they are interested in Muslim civil rights, but if the Muslims were Sikhs, they would merit a place somewhere in the back.
Before Muslims began prominently blowing things up in the United States, the left paid no attention to them. Afterward they suddenly outweighed every minority group in the country because killing 3,000 people is the gold standard of revolutionary mayhem.
The Victim Value Index places the most disruptive groups at the front, the somewhat disruptive groups in the middle and the least disruptive groups at the back.
The status of groups within the Index can change with their behavior. Muslims used to be shelved in the back with Asians and Indians as semi-successful immigrant entrepreneurs. 9/11 upgraded their status. The other groups are stuck there because they are aren't rioting or blowing things up.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/05/are-you-biggest-victim.html
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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We sent a SEAL team to the back of a Destroyer to rescue 1 man held captives by a handful of Somalie pirates. They shot they pirates dead.
I think we can probably lend a hand in this situation since the Nigerian military is not cutting. We also have a drone base in Niger, in perfect range to be deployed. (I think between Mali, Somalia, and N. Africa, that's why it's there).
Don't be surprised at the news when French (already in Mali), Brit, and US troops solve this problem.
I would be very surprised if SAS and US troops (Delta/SEALs) are not already in place. The SAS is really good at this stuff, surveillance w/o detection. Better than SEALs.
I pray they are all on-scene, just waiting to go.....I'd be shocked if we do not know exactly where these rat-f*#kers are.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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What really is disturbing to me is that the abduction took place 3 weeks ago and Hollywood and the Int'l elitists just jumped on board 2-3 days ago. WTF?
This has been happening for the last 10 years in Nigeria. Sure it was only 5-50 girls/boys on a daily basis, and burnt Churches, but it was regular genocide. Ongoing.
I guess to get the attention of the world you have to threaten over 200 young girls. Kinda weak. But I guess it fits the stupid, yet actual, "war on women" narrative.
Whatever it takes is my opinion. Maybe the Koch bros. did it to manipulate attention to Islamists!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 10, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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It's an interesting dynamic.
I think the problem can be summed up pretty simply: Progressives would like to believe that the war going on in the world is between Extremist Muslims and, get this, Extremist Christians. That it has nothing to do with Progressives, who are The Only Sane Men in the Room, standing back, laughing at the religious sillyheads as they war with each other.
No matter how many times Islamists vow that they hate "Progressives" more than the godly, if kaffir, Christians, and then match deed to vow, "Progressives" continue spinning themselves this childish fantasy. They'll rouse themselves to notice some awful massacre committed by the Islamist lunatics for a week, and, if really roused, will even retweet a Hashtag Uprising against it; and then the next week, they go back to "condemning both sides," and pretending to be a virtuous Switzerland.
In fact they're cowards and in their cowardice, accomplices to murderers.
By
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
May 8, 2014 7:18 p.m. ET
Since the kidnapping of 276 schoolgirls in Nigeria last month, the meaning of Boko Haram—the name used by the terrorist group that seized the girls—has become more widely known. The translation from the Hausa language is usually given in English-language media as "Western Education Is Forbidden," though "Non-Muslim Teaching Is Forbidden" might be more accurate.
But little attention has been paid to the group's formal Arabic name: Jam'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-da'wa wal-Jihad. That roughly translates as "The Fellowship of the People of the Tradition for Preaching and Holy War." That's a lot less catchy than Boko Haram but significantly more revealing about the group and its mission. Far from being an aberration among Islamist terror groups, as some observers suggest, Boko Haram in its goals and methods is in fact all too representative.
The kidnapping of the schoolgirls throws into bold relief a central part of what the jihadists are about: the oppression of women. Boko Haram sincerely believes that girls are better off enslaved than educated. The terrorists' mission is no different from that of the Taliban assassin who shot and nearly killed 15-year-old Pakistani Malala Yousafzai—as she rode a school bus home in 2012—because she advocated girls' education. As I know from experience, nothing is more anathema to the jihadists than equal and educated women.
How to explain this phenomenon to baffled Westerners, who these days seem more eager to smear the critics of jihadism as "Islamophobes" than to stand up for women's most basic rights? Where are the Muslim college-student organizations denouncing Boko Haram? Where is the outrage during Friday prayers? These girls' lives deserve more than a Twitter TWTR +0.28% hashtag protest.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303701304579549603782621352
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Norwegian
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dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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May 10, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
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