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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:52am PT
Nice try, Doug. I said:
FYI, I've stopped answering stupid rhetorical questions.
And you said;

strikes me as a valid question.

cognitive dissonance at its finest I suppose....
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:52am PT
And I love that you call me arrogant. Anyone that really knows me would find that statement simply laughable.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:53am PT
None of those links jghedge posted show a number of kids defended by guns, so none of them can back up the statement: "Guns in homes kill far more kids than they defend".

You gotta have two numbers before you can deduce "far more".

I'm still waiting for documentation backing up "Guns in homes kill far more kids than they defend". So far, no one can produce it. Maybe it's just bullsh#t.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:56am PT
I have no plans to home school. To settle the question. My boy enters Kindergarten next year.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:56am PT
bah... never mind... blue... you're not worth my time.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 12:59am PT
I have no plans to home school. To settle the question. My boy enters Kindergarten next year
.

Serious question Bluering, do you honestly want your kid to go to an armed preschool/elementary school?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:02am PT
Serious question Bluering, do you honestly want your kid to go to an armed preschool/elementary school?


Yes. I can't see why not. The boy would have less to fear from the guard than an 'evil-doer'.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:10am PT
Now THAT'S a rhetorical question. Bluering wants whatever the latest tea bagger memo tells him he should want.


Look, as#@&%e, when you have kids and they hit 4, 5, or 6 years old, they become unusually attached to you. The can actually converse and relay their feeling and speak to you.

Do NOT portray me as heartless. I would kill to protect my son, but when I send him to school, I'd hope others would defend him.

Teachers have their jobs. Lets send in a LEO to protect the kids from as#@&%es.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:13am PT
wtf. really? we're still at this? 2800 posts and not one mind changed, all positions hardened. jesus.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:13am PT

Lots of dead students at VA Tech and Columbine - armed guards and police didn't matter

So objective reality proves you wrong. As usual.

So what is your solution?

EDIT:
You are an emotional contortionist, bra. I didn't say anything about you loving your children. I said that you'll regurgitate the party line. And you did. F*#k off.


What is your solution?
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:17am PT
Nah Dingus, just seeing the pot, hoping to make an inside straight.

speaking of straight, he was talking about the other ron
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:19am PT
What is your solution?

Less not more guns.
Harder not easier access.
Regulation at least as stringent as cars and drivers.
Start there.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:20am PT
The unintentional firearm injury death rate among children ages 14 and under in the United States is nine times higher than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.

"Rates" are not additive, they are a number per population, for example 88 / 100K. You cannot "combine" the rates of anything and have the result mean anything.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:22am PT
So we've established "Guns in homes kill far more kids than they defend" is bullsh#t.

Nobody can show the numbers on both sides to prove it.

What number of "kds they defend" are you working off of? Come up with that number, then we can compare the two numbers to see if one actually is "far more" than the other.

I still think it's bullsh#t.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:23am PT
Carry on per usual. Don't be a paranoid freak. Show your kids dad isn't some crackpot bending with every rumor he hears.

Sh#t happens, but it is not very likely to happen at school. Your side is the one saying the media is overblowing the matter, so don't get blown. Simple.


Kinda hear ya on this. Still would not oppose someone at school having a piece.

EDIT:
"Rates" are not additive, they are a number per population, for example 88 / 100K. You cannot "combine" the rates of anything and have the result mean anything.

Stop being logical, you're going to start making sense.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 01:40am PT
Pay teachers 10k more who carry. Maybe that'd get teachers more where they should be paid too. Even though I still don't think teachers should carry at school.


O.k., I agree, but you'll start me off on a rant of money that is already wasted in the Fed Education Program. We waste a lot of money on schools in the name of "the children".

Same with Defense.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 22, 2012 - 03:13am PT
Is it PTSD that makes me flinch when i hear a loud noise outside the shop these days? I GUESS you could call it that. But i would rather call it reacting due to experience. Life is trauma and we all get some.

Ron, because you don't deal with people with mental problems on a daily basis in trying to get through life, you don't realize that the rationalization that you've given above, is EXACTLY the same rationalization that most of them use for NOT getting help and treatment, and going on to tragic ends.

So think about this: You've admitted to a problem that is likely PTSD, a mental disorder. And you have guns. And you've purchased guns and given them to people who couldn't legally have them. And you deny it all, because you would RATHER call it something else.

I would be very concerned about being around you when you are intoxicated, and angry, because you will be armed, and you may react without even understanding that you are doing so.

And you will do illegal things:

well with those divulged facts, yes im sure i would have done exactly as you.! Cept i would have gone HUNTING afterwards.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Dec 22, 2012 - 03:21am PT
Ron, because you don't deal with people with mental problems on a daily basis in trying to get through life, you don't realize that the rationalization that you've given above, is EXACTLY the same rationalization that most of them use for NOT getting help and treatment, and going on to tragic ends.

So think about this: You've admitted to a problem that is likely PTSD, a mental disorder. And you have guns. And you've purchased guns and given them to people who couldn't legally have them. And you deny it all, because you would RATHER call it something else.

I would be very concerned about being around you when you are intoxicated, and angry, because you will be armed, and you may react without even understanding that you are doing so.

You're really reaching now. You have nothing....
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 22, 2012 - 03:37am PT
A pediatrician will usually ask if there's guns in the home - they know they're a leading cause of child fatality.


That is the stupidest sh#t I've heard in a while. Where did you hear that gem from? Or was it just pulled from yer ass?

Let's try to be sincere, folks

Wrong. As stated, it is the standard of practice for physicians treating children.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 22, 2012 - 03:41am PT
"Rates" are not additive, they are a number per population, for example 88 / 100K. You cannot "combine" the rates of anything and have the result mean anything.

Wrong. Done all the time.

Rate of heart attacks for blacks, asians, hispanics, women, whites.....all have rates.

Combined, is the average rate for AMERICANS.

Used ALL THE TIME. In all kinds of fields.

The rate of gas usage is "X" for ford, "Y" for GM, etc. Combine them for the average rate of gas usage for American cars.

A billion examples.
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