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new world order-

climber

Nov 17, 2011 - 07:26pm PT

(I didn't actually demonstrate.) --MH

^^^I wouldn't think so. You just "walk around" and feel pity for the homeless/poverty lobby.

It doesn't quite work that way in reality, as the fund managers and management seem to benefit more, not to mention those with the resources to invest on their own. --MH

^^^Oh! So, which statement of yours do you reeeally stand by?

the ultimate owner of a lot of big corporations is nominally "small" or better still "99%" Americans.

Both, I reckon.

I expect a city crackdown next week.--MH

^^^ Oh, there will be a crackdown all right. By the very government and corporations who co-opted the entire OWS event from the very beginning.

Funny how the media and corporations sympathized with OWS from it's onset, but today are all for dismantling it.

new world order-

climber

Nov 17, 2011 - 08:56pm PT

war, your anger speaks volumes.

new world order-

climber

Nov 17, 2011 - 09:01pm PT

Cedar wood! That shite constantly gets caught up in my mtn. bike gears!

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Nov 17, 2011 - 09:42pm PT

Thanks New World Order. My mind is open, but epistimologically, it works like Bayesian probability: my "prior distribution" has significant weight. I haven't had a change to read and digest your source, and need to go to a rehearsal now, so I'll comment later.

By the way, I work for myself, and my clients range from banks (clearly "the man") to consumers (clearly not "the man.") to governmental entities (you decide what that is).

I also need to come to the defense of my fried Mighty Hiker. If he hates me (I am a Christian), he hides it well. I think he hates injustice, as do I. We just have different prescriptions for its end.

John

Jorroh

climber

Nov 17, 2011 - 09:48pm PT

And what better way to end injustice than to enable corporations and the wealthy to completely dominate the political process. You're a real man of the people John.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 17, 2011 - 10:12pm PT

The protests are losing my support.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 17, 2011 - 11:57pm PT

please describe this slide of your support

I'm having doubts it's still about addressing growing economic inequality and economic justice. A lot of the energy is now spent on camping in parks for weeks on end and that kind of, frankly, pointless crap.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Nov 18, 2011 - 12:06am PT

War,

GOD isn't confused by so called "Christians" who aren't. Why are you? They're called hypocrites. Read the Bible to see what will happen to them, what will be their ultimate fate. Same place Lucifer and his Fallen Angels are going. Not a good place.

Great speech in support of OWS by Robert Reich from Berkeley . . .

Mario Savio Memorial Lecture: Robert Reich on Class Warfare in America
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x635631
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LkYXec36Q8

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Nov 18, 2011 - 12:15am PT

I feared from the beginning what is happening now, the message of the original OWS being layered over by the lunatic fringe out to have a party good time raising hell

Just like an English soccer game with the 20 year old males get stupid crazy.

The message is now spent. Continued "protests" now only harm the original peacefully civil gatherings with clear message.

Yes Dirtbag, the media concentrates only on what sells advertising and that is sensationalism and sex.

And so the media focuses now exclusively on the outliers, the dirtbag campers, the crimes by obviously not seriously protesting as#@&%es.

I support the movement and the message, but not what the public spectacle has become.

The Tea Party was well organized and funded and comparatively small public gatherings with the Beck one in DC the lone exception.

OWS has no funding, no central leadership that came about by consensus, and as such no "control" over whatever message is being portrayed.

Grass Roots Democracy is a bitch, all types present, often ugly.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 18, 2011 - 12:24am PT

what your take on activist history and previous suscess......

doesnt change occur when the cost of settling with the protestors is less than cost of what their protests intransigence incurs?

I think Americans have a limited stomach for civil disobedience. Most of the time I don't think it works very well. It's one thing when cops beat the sh#t out of black people marching peacefully during daylight hours back in the 60s, or sit in bus seats they can never sit in. I think civil disobedience in that situation works and really, they had no other recourse. The absolute injustice is highlighted. It's persuasive.

OWS should be, IMHO, about getting support and awareness of the economic justice and inequality issues. That was it's original message. Cool, I'm with that. But now, as I said, that message is getting lost. The message is now about showing up cops, or camping in parks. That kind of nonsense. I don't know of very many instances where cops, city officials, etc. have come in and said "Get the fukk out, you can't gather here at all." (And those folks are not the problem, btw.) OWSers can still express their view points, and many have done so legally, but they do not have the right to assemble at any god damned hour, at great expense to cities, surrounding businesses and residences, and squat in parks for weeks on end. No one else gets to do that--why are OWSers special? I just don't have much sympathy for that. By and large, there isn't much legal support for that either. Free speech does not mean you get to assemble whenever and wherever you want.

I'm sure a lot of this is exaggerated by a media that thrives on conflict, which drives ratings. But a lot isn't. If the movement is losing people like me--and I know at least one like minded friend who feels as i do--it is in real trouble. It's really too bad.

dirtbag

climber

Nov 18, 2011 - 12:38am PT

Is that going to achieve the goal of real, tangible change for the 99%?

I don't think so.

"Stick it to the f*#kers"

That sh#t is just not going to work/

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber

I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Nov 18, 2011 - 12:58am PT

you mean,

you could not think your way out of a cardboard box

not card board.

if it were card board, then you want a hyphen in there, like

card-board.

but hyphens, and hymens, went out in the 70's.

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber

I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Nov 18, 2011 - 01:02am PT

i was sayin,

"war, huh, what is it good for, absolutely nuthin,"

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber

I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Nov 18, 2011 - 01:14am PT

you have a list of the 1 percent types, i could use a new microwave oven,

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Nov 18, 2011 - 01:57am PT

So did you guys hear about the riot in Pennsylvania?

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Nov 18, 2011 - 02:03am PT

A crowd of thousands of people, who made a big mess and destroyed a lot of property, and created a lot of problems for the public and the police. Disgusting!