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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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several years ago i saw a presentation at Stanford University by an Israeli company that had developed dramatically more efficient solar panels
they were already manufacturing them in Israel and planning to import to the USA
they calculated that it would substantially tilt the cost/benefit model in this country and create huge demand for their product
that's the last i heard from them...
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Fattrad
Your saying Coal and Nuclear do not and have not been getting a huge government subsidy?
Let us not forgot what oil gets.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Germany already has a leg up on renewables, particularly when compared to the U.S. They will certainly help drive the renewables innovation the whole world knows is necessary to prevent catastrophe in the coming decades. They will take a pragmatic and measurable approach to it and produce real results. Will they solve all the problems of replacing oil?
i agree that Germany is technically capable of great breakthroughs in renewables. but please do not make the mistake of mixing oil with electrical energy.
in the USA anyway, most of the oil is for transport and not electrical. our politicians get this all mixed up all the time.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Necessity is a mom, particularly when you are creating economies of scale and not burning your money on Nukes which have eaten billions and billions here.
Raadam, Gunderson makes mention of the NRC's inadequate regard for containment integrity in the two most recent videos, in one of which he is actually testifying to the NRC over the phone
http://www.fairewinds.com/
Peace
Karl
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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magnitude of 5.6 jolted Fukushima Prefecture early Saturday no additional damage reported.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Hi Jan,
Do you hear much about how things are going over there in Japan with the cleanup from the Tsunami? The news doesn't give out much info and this thread is mostly about the nuke plant. I would appreciate hearing about how they are doing.
John
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, moosie... yes, thanks for bringing this up...
whew, i am reallly trying to get to sleep... :))
*keep getting ready to get off line...
nite, moosie and all...
hope to hear from jan...
(hey there, say, jan--hope all is well with you)...
:)
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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John-
It's going very slowly. They figure it will take 3 years to clear the debris, maybe 10 years to get the salt out of the soil so they can grow something there again.
One problem is scarcity of dumps in Japan. They have had to ask different towns to accept a certain amount of debris in a good will gesture as Japan is too crowded to have one dump where they can take it all. Most garbage and debris is burned and the rest recycled but it will take a long time to separate it out.
Their main problem right now is tons and tons of rotting fish everywhere from the destroyed storage facilities and the contents of commercial fisheries that were washed ashore. As it warms up toward summer, the stench grows more and more unbearable. They're looking for places to bury it.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Thanks Jan..for the update. Mercy, that sounds hard. I can't imagine having to rebuild whole towns. Will they build in the same places like we did New orleans.
Hi neebee. Sleep well.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Government admits lying about radiation after Earthquake"
"Gov't didn't release radiation data after accident
The Japanese government has expressed regret for not disclosing some important results of the radiation monitoring conducted near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant soon after the accident.
The central and Fukushima prefectural governments collected the data to determine evacuation measures as well as food and water restrictions for residents.
A reading on March 12th, one day after the massive earthquake and tsunami hit the plant, shows that radioactive tellurium was detected 7 kilometers away. Tellurium is produced during the melting of nuclear fuel.
Three hours before the data was collected, the government expanded the radius of the evacuation area around the plant from 3 kilometers to 10 kilometers.
But the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency reported at a news conference several hours later that the nuclear fuel was intact.
The government also failed to disclose the high radiation levels in weeds 30 to 50 kilometers from the plant. On March 15th, 123 million becquerels of radioactive iodine-131 per kilogram were detected 38 kilometers northeast of the plant.
The nuclear safety agency says it deeply regrets not releasing the data.
Professor Yasuyuki Muramatsu of Gakushuin University says radioactive iodine has a high effect on children. He says that if the data had been released earlier, more measures could have been taken to protect them from exposure.
Saturday, June 04, 2011 15:27 +0900 (JST)"
from
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/04_20.html
Which at least shows that the Japanese government can own up to things, something we seem to have a problem with.
Meanwhile, there's almost no pressure left in Reactor number 1
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_08.html
Tokyo Electric Power Company has found that pressure inside the Number 1 reactor at its Fukushima Daiichi power plant has dropped to close to the outside atmospheric pressure. It reaffirms that the reactor has been damaged.
The reactor is believed to have suffered a meltdown after the March 11th disaster. The meltdown apparently created holes in the pressure vessel and damaged the containment vessel, letting highly radioactive water flow below ground in the reactor building.
Pressure inside an operating reactor is normally around 70 atmospheres. But after the disaster, the pressure indicator showed 6 atmospheres in the Number 1 reactor, raising questions about data reliability.
On Friday, the utility replaced the gauge with a new one and made measurements again.
The reading was 1.26 atmospheres as of 11 AM on Saturday, almost equal to normal air pressure. The company says this proves that air inside the reactor is escaping outside.
But the utility estimates that the lack of a big hole in the reactor is keeping steam inside, leading to the slightly higher interior pressure.
TEPCO is also planning to install new pressure gauges at the Number 2 and 3 reactors to assess the situation accurately.
Sunday, June 05, 2011 10:50 +0900 (JST)
all that and radioactive water is leaking like crazy there
It's not over just because western media stops covering it
Peace
karl
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 13, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
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a quote from a reader of the article..This poisoning of the environment is horrendous, appalling and ultimately extremely hazardous to health. Strontium 90, as this undoubtedly is, and as you most likely all know, is the devil’s own work, a death guaranteed. Again, approaching this catastrophe from best scenario has to be one of most flagrant acts of self-deception known.
Like lambs to the slaughter.
I read a bit that said since GE owns a vast majority of the news networks here in the US, they have been extremely successful in supressing any negative reporting on Fukshima here in the States. Basically a deception by the use of our media so enormous that it is hard to comprehend since we and our children were all exposed to the fallout in the rain for months, and knew it, but the news agencies refused to post it.
and what about our government, where were they? Sad times for America.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 13, 2011 - 01:34pm PT
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" Eat flaming death , fascist media pigs "...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:53am PT
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NHK now reports that 60% of the people from the regions affected by the tsunami believe they will never rebuild.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Jun 14, 2011 - 11:56am PT
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Looks like Google will not have to depend entirely on Ads.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/idUS178799646120110614
Google invests $280M in SolarCity solar roof fund
# East Coast wind farm backbone. Google has invested part of the fund for an East Coast transmission line that is meant to link offshore wind farms, and which recently got an approved rate of return for the project at 12.59 percent.
# Wind power from Iowa wind farm. Google’s first deal for its subsidiary Google Energy — which can buy and sell power on the wholesale electricity markets — plans to buy wind power from 114 MW of wind energy via a wind farm in Iowa owned by NextEra Energy Resources.
# Wind power from Oklahoma wind farm. Google’s second deal via its subsidiary Google Energy is to buy 100 MW of power from a wind farm that’s under construction in Oklahoma by NextEra Energy Resources.
# BrightSource’s solar thermal project. Google plans to invest $168 million into a solar thermal project being built by startup BrightSource Energy in California’s Mojave Desert.
# German solar project. Google is investing €3.5 million ($5 million USD) into a solar photovoltaic farm in Brandenburg an der Havel, Germany, which is near Berlin.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jun 14, 2011 - 12:56pm PT
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NHK now reports that 60% of the people from the regions affected by the tsunami believe they will never rebuild.
That might be smart. I imagine it is more likely than not we be rebuilding New Orleans again within a generation.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 28, 2011 - 03:22pm PT
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I have no doubt Fukushima is the worst industrial accident in history and one borne of hubris, lying financials, expediency, and compounded both by Japan's lack of energy resources and cultural biases.
That said, however, these two statements:
I read a bit that said since GE owns a vast majority of the news networks here in the US, they have been extremely successful in supressing any negative reporting on Fukshima here in the States.
In the US, physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on a 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant.
Are outright lies suffused with agenda, paranoia, hysteria, and so lacking in common sense they are just plain insulting.
No parent owner of western media outside of Rupert Murdoch is capable of directly supressing or manipulating news coverage in the internet age. If anything, the gnat-like attention span of U.S. media consumers is more the issue.
And the 'epidemiological' study? Deliberately manipulated data selection which shouldn't even need the debunking it promptly received - a basic understanding of radiation and it's affects render the 'study' ridiculous on the face of it. A rise in childhood cancers and the development other rare radiation-related childhood illnesses over time, possibly and that will require long term epidemiological studies to determine, but outright infant mortality at these exposure level? Total and complete fabrication and bullsh#t.
Here, by contrast, is a Chernobyl study with some rigor:
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/Chernobyl/HEofC25yrsAC.html#ES
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jun 28, 2011 - 03:51pm PT
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