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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 16, 2015 - 08:56am PT
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speaking of waste
Be informed that mid ocean floating plastic makes ideal places for fish to live. It is shady, providing protection from birds, right at the surface away from dangerous shore breakers. The more the better.
btw- US ranks in the top 4 producers of plastic.
According to the Center on Globalization Governance & Competitiveness, the United States, Germany, France and China are the top plastic producers. In addition to the U.S. and China; Brazil, Argentina and the United Kingdom are leading manufacturers of PVC, a type of plastic. Furthermore, plastics ranks third in size among U.S. manufacturing industries
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 16, 2015 - 11:22am PT
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sorry Dave no time to feed the trolls. Curious though if you've ever seen the ocean or if you've just read about it on the internet?
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Feb 16, 2015 - 02:34pm PT
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No Wade. I'm sorry for people who know so much they can't learn anything new.
Consider the miracle of untrackable little plastic FAD's scattered over
the ocean with entire ecosystems of fish orbiting under them. And no GPS beacons letting the purse seiners find them.
The world fishing industry hates untrackable plastic garbage FAD's. Tell us why since you know so much?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_aggregating_device
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 16, 2015 - 03:33pm PT
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dave equating the pacific gyre with flotsam, artificial reefs and fish aggregating devices and statements re:ocean plastics such as "the more the better." demonstrate a certain level of knowledge, belief and intent that IMO and experience is pointless to engage. if you have some relevant info to impart don't hold back on my account.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Feb 16, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
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Would Wade agree a tool that performs unquestionably is the best kind?
How much grant money is the fishing industry giving to the
oceanic plastic cleanup cause?
Which will only help increase fish catches at GPS beaconed FAD's
as the unbeaconed garbage FAD's are removed.
But maybe seabirds concern Wade more than fish. And that concern stops
at the waters edge? Any bird over land is of no concern? Especially ones over dumps eating plastic? I am shocked.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 16, 2015 - 04:41pm PT
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I appreciate the transparency dave. hope you find someone who wants to play.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 18, 2015 - 05:06am PT
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IMO, this is an honest assessment of global energy consumption for the next 20 years.
Rising global demand for energy over the next two decades is at odds with the fight against climate change, the head of BP said on Tuesday, as he outlined the oil giant’s forecasts showing unsustainable increases in carbon emissions.
BP’s annual energy outlook predicted that the world economy would double in size in the next 20 years, resulting in demand for energy rising by almost 40%. The company said two-thirds of this demand would be met from fossil fuels – oil, gas and coal – and that this would lead to a 25% increase in carbon emissions...
Even so, the company said carbon emissions would be growing by 1% a year – “well above” the path recommended by scientists to keep emissions below the ceiling of 450 parts per million that would provide a 50% chance of stabilising global temperatures at 2% above pre-industrial levels...
Even with the expected rapid growth in the use of renewable forms of energy over the next two decades, they will still only account for 8% of energy demand by 2035, BP said. Fossil fuels will account for 81% of energy, down from 86% at present.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/17/bp-says-huge-rise-in-energy-demand-at-odds-with-climate-change-fight
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2015 - 08:38am PT
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The question is, does our waste management policy include shipping our plastic waste to China so
they can "recycle" it?
No, I don't mean throwing it in the ocean so the currents can take it to China, I mean actually shipping there.
Here, take a look:
Americans generally don’t recycle their plastic; they export it. And more than half of the $1 billion
a year business goes to China.
But the tides are turning, China is implementing Operation Green Fence where they are starting to take
only the high-grade recyclables which they have an immediate need for (or the plastics they can more
easily recycle, no dirty food containers).
I admit, my diatribe about the plastic industry was flimsy at best. Allow me to offer another example,
one that will be more tangible to many.
Apple Computers makes ~70% of its net from the iPhone. A year or so ago, the news about Apple was
whether or not it could continue to innovate and be a leader in the industry. You see, Apple
could not rest, it had to continue to increase quarterly profits for it to be the darling of Wall Street.
They come out with new iPhones all the time, and each time there is a rush to buy the newest. But what happens
to the old ones? My buddy lost his iPhone at my wedding. I went back a few days later and retrieved it out of
the bushes (yeah, it was a great wedding!). When I went to return it to my pal, he said "No thanks, I have a
newer one that my friend gave me."
I couldn't give the perfectly good phone away, it was a generation old.
What's my point? Rare earth metals, and what companies are doing to secure them.
How do we slow the machine down, where we must increase our businesses quarter after quarter?
Where we are told to "shop!" We live on a finite planet, yet our economic system is built on
the principal of continuous growth.
It's a real puzzle, do you think we'll solve it?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 18, 2015 - 08:53am PT
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It's a real puzzle, do you think we'll solve it?
Not until solving it is less painful than ignoring it.
We live in a throw away society. You can't even give away cathode ray tube TVs. None of the charitable organizations want them. Our town dump has a designated area for old TVs and PC monitors.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2015 - 04:40pm PT
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Where'd The Chief go? I just found a cool quote that made me think of him:
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
-― Socrates
I had to write that down before I lost it.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 20, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
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The Chief is not the loser in this argument,we all are because of the argument.
Good quote though.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Feb 20, 2015 - 05:33pm PT
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Models predict that deniers come out of the woodwork whenever there is some cold weather to cherry pick.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Feb 20, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
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TGT loves to pick blue cherries and ignore the red ones.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 20, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
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Wilbeer...Thank ISIS your are not a fat tire fag...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 21, 2015 - 07:05am PT
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[ENGLISH.ALARABIYA.NET] Snow is expected to blanket the northern areas in Soddy Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. When the oil runs out the rest of the world is going to kick sand in the Soddy national face...
over the weekend, Al Arabiya News Channel reported.
The predicted snowstorm, which hails from a northerly direction, is the latest with a cold snap which has already hit Turkey, Jordan, Paleostinian Territories, Israel and Leb on Friday.
In northern Saudi Arabia, regions such Tabouk, al-Jawf, Rafah and Tareef are expected to be blanketed with snow.
#1 What was that about Hell freezing over?
Something momentous must be about to happen.
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