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Gary
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From the City That Dreams
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Nov 17, 2011 - 08:51am PT
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Could you please articulate what you think is radically left about the OWS protestors?
Of course he can't. He's never thought about any of this on any sort of real level. It's all about posturing.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 17, 2011 - 09:19am PT
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Actually,
The White House shooter is much more Tea Party than OWS
News reports say he hated Obama and hated the "government".
VERY much the same as Tea Party good old regular Americans.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 17, 2011 - 11:58am PT
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It's ok to hate on the government and Obama.
Spoken like a true right wing christian.
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new world order-
climber
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Nov 17, 2011 - 12:07pm PT
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If there's 3 things Mighty Hiker hates, (strong word) it's Christians, Republicans, and conspiracy theories.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 17, 2011 - 12:35pm PT
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A bunch Occupy L.A. fools have set up tents in the middle of the street in Downtown L.A.
What's the point of that?
EDTI:
The LAPD has started dragging their asses out of the street. It appears OWS chose their biggest, fattest** protestors especially for this opperation, probably an effort to double the work of the cops.
** Or maybe The Unions are involved, that would explain the over-excessive girth of these people.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 17, 2011 - 01:33pm PT
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Could you please articulate what you think is radically left about the OWS protestors?
he OWS protesters I've heard speak of being anti-capitalist. That, essentially, defines the modern left-wing.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 17, 2011 - 01:36pm PT
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This Statement of Beliefs is now posted on www.OccupyTheConstitution.org
That Statement of Beliefs is surely in the running for the ward for least content in the most words.
John
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nov 17, 2011 - 01:37pm PT
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Norton: what say ye?
Fattrad posted:
"Norton,
I would feel very badly taking your money, so I must decline your offer. Tell you what, if Obama wins, I will donate $5k to the climbing non-profit of your choice.
The evil one "
I see this as win. Norton, you wanted to bet Jeff $10000 on the election, are you gonna pony up $5000 to a climbing non-profit if a republican wins? It's cheaper than giving Jeff $10,000 and more productive as well.
Thinking win-win:-)
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 17, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
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Still curious, what grievances do corporate lobbyists wish to have redressed? And are huge campaign donations an acceptable form of petition?
Corporate lobbyists are individuals, so I assume you meant corporations. They would have the same grievances as any other collection of individuals, and make the same sorts of "huge campaign donations" as any other aggregation of individuals, except that corporations tend to be bipartisan in their largesse, unlike unions, that have placed all their members' bets on a donkey.
John
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 17, 2011 - 02:13pm PT
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Interesting ( but not alltogether surprising ) that The Movement would choose as the symbol of their movement the cheap, Chinese-made WalMart tent.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 17, 2011 - 03:05pm PT
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It's funny to see folks see all the positives of OWS and the Tea Party but none of their faults depending on which "side" they are on.
I think the OWS grievances are much more important than Tea Partiers given the current state of the economy and how we got here. But the OWS are generating a lot more negative press than the Tea Party does. But then again the Tea Party helped get the current crop of idiot, obstructionist, ideologue House Republicans in office so they'll pay the price for that next election.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 17, 2011 - 04:21pm PT
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Three questions, lovesgasoline:
By whom were the msm siezed so long ago?
What evidence do you have of this siezure?
Why is the fact of this siezure known only to so few?
John
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 17, 2011 - 06:08pm PT
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JE has a valid point. The so-called "main stream media" (largely right of centre) is mostly owned (shares or bonds) by pension funds, IRAs, and other small investors. They usually have little say in corporate policy, even when aggregated, but are the owners/beneficiaries. Certainly there is no shortage of larger investors, often rapacious in their tactics, but the ultimate owner of a lot of big corporations is nominally "small" or better still "99%" Americans.
The actual control of the big corporations is largely limited to a self-serving managerial class, who don't necessarily have a significant ownership interest. They tend to retain control as long as the stock and dividends hold their own, and no raider comes along to disturb them. Corporate governance and accountability is a very real issue.
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new world order-
climber
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Nov 17, 2011 - 06:19pm PT
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Three questions, lovesgasoline:
By whom were the msm siezed so long ago?
What evidence do you have of this siezure?
Why is the fact of this siezure known only to so few?
John
Try not to consider the source, John. Read this, and keep an open mind. Afterall, you're not going to find views below, on mainstream media sites, for it is the corporations who own, mainstream media.
A parachute (like the mind) works better when it's open.
http://www.infowars.com/who-are-their-prey-all-of-us-from-the-left-and-right/
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new world order-
climber
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Nov 17, 2011 - 06:24pm PT
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I've found the more a person works for the Man, the less likely he is to believe in OWS, 9/11 being an inside job (and the whole host of so-called conspiracy theories).
So, folks like Mighty Hiker (a lawyer), doctors, dentists, government employees, police, teachers, etc. etc., would never even consider investigating said, conspiracy theories, let alone believing them. They are....the Man. Their minds are made up. They have been programmed. Sad, that.
Come on! Could you picture Mighty Hiker at an Occupy Wall Street event? Lols.
John? With all due respect, do you work for The Man? I can almost bet, you do.
Ed Hartouni, healyje, what say you?
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new world order-
climber
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Nov 17, 2011 - 06:55pm PT
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but the ultimate owner of a lot of big corporations is nominally "small" or better still "99%" Americans.--Mighty Hiker
Quote du jour, Anders. Quote du jour!
Where DO you come up with this nonsense? Too funny.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 17, 2011 - 07:13pm PT
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Umm, actually I did visit the Occupy Vancouver site, and walk around. I have sympathy for the original demonstrators and at least some of their causes, whatever the quality of their demonstration. (I didn't actually demonstrate.) The demonstration here has gradually been co-opted by others, such as the homeless/poverty lobby, which hasn't helped it. However, after the Canucks riot in June, and with a civic election this Saturday, our (moderately liberal) city council has only cautiously asserted itself. Assuming that it doesn't snow over the weekend, I expect a city crackdown next week.
As for ownership of corporations, add up the total value of assets held by pension funds, IRAs (mutual funds) and social security. It's almost all in shares and real estate, and overall a high percentage of both are so owned. Nominally it means that fund managers, on behalf of individual investors, should have a strong voice. Which they do - for profit, to benefit the individuals. It doesn't quite work that way in reality, as the fund managers and management seem to benefit more, not to mention those with the resources to invest on their own.
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