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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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That is the idea.
Really ,both ways do.
One ,costs more to implement.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:34pm PT
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Yes.
It is all battery/dc/or ac inversion.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:40pm PT
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The system has to meet code ,enough to power smoke detectors,lights etc.
Otherwise no permit.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:46pm PT
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The building code is now national.
Even the amish here have to adhere or no C of O.
They do not even have power.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:47pm PT
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The Chief should probably do a bit more research into his assertion of the legality of "stand alone" solar...
certainly if you take advantage of the California Solar Initiative, which is a state program to incentivize solar energy production through rebates, tax credits, etc, etc, the state wants you to interconnect your system to the grid... that's the whole point.
If you want to pay full price for your solar panels, pay the property taxes for the value adjustment afforded by having solar, etc, etc, I believe you can go for it... but it would be rather more expensive. The independent system "interconnect" would, in principle, be negotiable with your local power company but that would also cost you a lot more... and the rate rebates wouldn't be covered by the state program policies.
Since our taxes are funding the program, why would I want The Chief to take advantage of it without benefiting in some way?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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I believe there is a ton of solar going on in NYC.
Probably ATG though.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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I believe they could.
I know they do in Rochester and Buffalo.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:03pm PT
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ATG can triple the install cost.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
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And did you have a coal burning stove for heat Wilbeer?
No TLP, I was saying that since you same people have been claiming peak oil for decades you should just relax while the small FF remainder you claim economic is burned. Then the natural substitute, the cheapest , most efficient, new technology would emerge if not fuked by government mandates, taxation, and other forms of meddling. The hundreds of billions wasted on end of the world science in a losing scheme to scare the general populace into endentured servitude would be much more wisely spent in R&D .
As far as solar is concerned, I believe it provides less than 2% of the electrical energy consumed presently in the U.S. If entrepeneurs like Elon Musk get their way the storage problem will be partially solved by individual households and motor vehicles via Lithium battery storage and emerging battery technology. But even if highly successful this will not replace grid scale on demand power plants. We need NG and nuclear.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:18pm PT
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Woodstove for heat.Wood from premises.
My new house is getting geothermal,I have to dig a well.
Look up standing column geothermal systems.Run off solar[heatpump,controls]Wood supplement.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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Yeah, I already checked it out Wilbeer. You would have to have a sizeable chunk of property to make on property wood harvest for heat "sustainable".
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
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No,I live in a locust grove.
Built this house 13 years ago and there are trees planted every year since.
Now ,I could heat a 1600 square foot well insulated house without touching a tree I did not plant.
Have you ever been to upstate NY?
So yes there was some original consumption,you have got to get ahead of it.
With a catalytic stove ,they are almost carbon neutral.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
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is it fair? if you take advantage of the opportunities that the state provides, yes...
but perhaps you could provide the documentation for your initial claim...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
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Okay Wilbeer, I've heard too much. You're raping Walden's Pond. I'm sending in the tree huggers to spike and chain themselves to your trees.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
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Canandaiqua is where I build Habitat for Humanity homes now and then ,mostly for vets.
I was only saying have you been here you would know that trees grow fast.
There are plenty like me in these hills and in town,trying to live sustainable ways.
It is not living in a tent.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:55pm PT
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Wilbeer. If everyone in NY starting harvesting all the trees and not replace them, you all would look like the Mojave desert in less than five years.
already happened... in the first half of the 1800's much of the Northeast forests were gone... what we see today is mostly regrowth, the land abandoned by the opening up the west
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
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Already happened about 5 times.
Selective harvest.
And management.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:07pm PT
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They have never stopped cutting trees in wny.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Jan 27, 2015 - 12:53am PT
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There are off the grid solar powered homes in Cali.
http://homes.trovit.com/off-grid-solar-california
http://greenhomesforsale.com/listing/view/united_states_california_nevadacity_95959_19673
http://tinyhousetalk.com/grid-modern-solar-house-california/
http://sol-sierra.com/
http://sellswell.us/real-estate/sale/houses/152000-2br-1354ft2-beautiful-solar-powered-log-home-on-118-acres-lake-county-2047942
http://blog.prefabium.com/2012/05/off-grid-green-prefab-home-california.html
http://www.mishalov.com/Off_The_Grid.html
http://www.westhavensolar.com/our-services/solar/pv-systems-off-grid
http://www.oynot.com/customer-installed-systems/2700-watt-xw6048-offgrid-dunlap-ca.html
http://www.jetsongreen.com/2011/01/clearlake-ithouse-off-grid-california.html
I suspect it is some local zoning laws require you to connect to the grid if it is available, so that if you ever sell a home, the next owner has access to the grid. Just like you are required to connect to a sewer if available.
That does not mean you ever have to use the grid, you could keep a switch in the disconnect position, although if the utilities have their way, you may have to pay a base fee even if not a single electron flows to/from the grid.
In fact a friend of mine built a house fully permitted 12 years ago within the city limits of San Diego that is off the grid, because SDG&E would have charged him extreme amounts to extend the power lines to his lot.
http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/05/08/are-you-a-target-if-you-live-off-the-grid/
http://www.gosolarcalifornia.ca.gov/csi/faqs.php#9
When I get my California Solar Initiative-funded solar system installed, will I be "off-grid?"
No. The California Solar Initiative Program only provides incentives to grid-connected solar systems, thus California Solar Initiative participants are not off-grid; rather, their systems produce energy that flows back onto the grid, which they conversely draw from whenever their systems are not generating energy. Grid-tied solar electric systems are not typically designed to provide back-up power when there is an electrical outage.
pros and cons of being off grid
http://www.homepower.com/articles/solar-electricity/design-installation/or-grid
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Jan 27, 2015 - 05:45am PT
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Good on you Wilbeer. It sounds like you really have it together.
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