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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 23, 2015 - 07:42am PT
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How 'Warmest Ever' Headlines and Debates Can Obscure What Is Imporant About Climate Change
http://nyti.ms/1ut3luf
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 23, 2015 - 07:51am PT
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Did Bruce finally self destruct?
Yep Chief, it is dreams of power and control by a relative few that started this farce we found ourselves in. It didn't hurt the cause that politicians around the planet were convinced to join the bandwagon salivating over a huge increase in taxation for them to spend. Scientismists followed the gravy train and huge herds of angry and disaffected sheep were gathered along the trail.
I agree with many of the tenets of your philosophy that the late Frosty dubbed Chuffian Darwinism. Although , I also believe that unlike all the species before us we have the ability to forestall our demise and move out beyond the confines of Earth.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 23, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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I am impressed with the efforts being made in China. While not exactly my ideal of a place to live their government does have the ability to implement large scale projects somewhat more easily than our political process usually can.
Fantastic report touching on environmental and economic impact and proper planning. This article goes deep into nuclear issues but the early couple sections show a good overview of all electrical generation issues in china and their strategies and progress.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china--nuclear-power/
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 23, 2015 - 08:53am PT
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TLP
We may not have had the strict definition of an El Nino this year but, there was a huge migration of the west pacific warm pool into the north pacific where the heat is dissapating into a cooling atmosphere. This skewed global temps this year far more than any other regional event.
Im sure you've seen the plots of global mean temps (and many regional) that show a prominent dip with the deep minimum between solar cycle 23/24. Since then we've had a cycle 24 with a double peak, the highest of which continued at least through most of 2014. Additionally it is not the small variation in Sol's total radiant output (the full range of output until now unwitnessed according to some prominent astrophysicists) , but the much larger variation of spectrum output and intensity of the solar magnetic output that effects climate on Earth. The IPCC ignores study of these effects, instead seeking validation by the so far observed .01 varistion in TSI over the course of the approx 11 year cycles.
Perhaps you are looking at the wrong metric by paying attention to the yearly release of gmst anomaly, which is widely known to be based on ginned up data and adjustment techniques. Maybe you should be looking at the globally increasing ice mass extent, duration and extent of global snow cover, variations in average global cloud cover, and the lack of verifiably increased rate of sea level rise as more telling metrics.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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If you do not bullshet the system in one way or another, the system will cancel your azz and shut you down.
Looks like the Noise Machine is all powered up and ready to roll today.
We humans are NOT in control regardless what we do.
And The Chief would rather see us fire down the road with the accelerator floored as we can see we're approaching the cliff. Rather than try and avert disaster, The Chief would rather roll with the wind in his face.
"World leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from catastrophe," Benedict said Thursday at an event held in the auditorium of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "Stunning governmental failures have imperiled civilization on a global scale."
Got that The Chief, the American Association for the Advancement of Science. I can see that to you, they are just a bunch of clowns. And your ego-less self is so proud.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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The Chief, perhaps you should read the quote that I posted for an answer to your question.
As for specifics on how to deal with our man-made problem, there are many avenues to pursue. But again, you will need to read, and understand what you read, to get a grasp. From what you've shown so far, this will take some real effort from you.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jan 23, 2015 - 10:10am PT
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The members of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Science and Security Board recommend:
Take actions that would cap greenhouse gas emissions at levels sufficient to keep average global temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels.
What would those actions look like?
If all the nations of the World agree do their part, what would be required of the US? What would be required of the average US citizen?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 23, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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What really caused the temp spike from 1910-1945 when human emissions were 1/10th-1/20th of what they were during the exact same quantity and type spike from 1976-1998?
Your little meme didn't keep Muller from changing his mind.
It is simply decadal variation around the AGW forcing signal.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 23, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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And that ED H is a perfect example of why the agenda of CAGW will fail and whither away. Self righteous and supposed more knowing attitudes that prevail in the CC Science community exactly as the one above, will indeed be the downfall of it.
It always has been. But you all are too deep into your ego to see that.
perhaps you're too deep into your own ego to acknowledge that someone might know something that you do not and that you should STFU and listen and learn. But you have never (ever) been able to do that in your life when it comes to subjects like science, mathematics, statistics (and generally "intellectual" topics). This is gleaned from your own telling of your biography.
Your populism is even a part of the justification of your ego's denial that these "intellectual" subjects could be at all important, and being unimportant (in your view) they can be ignored.
In addition, your ego is invested in "being right" so any discussion that seems to challenge that is met with a barrage of largely irrelevant noise, posted at 15 minute intervals throughout the day. That's a huge investment in time for someone accusing another of being a slave to their "ego."
What is it that compels you to defend yourself and your viewpoint with such vigor if not your immensely over inflated ego?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 11:32am PT
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All Kman does is parrot the ideology and agenda's insistent propaganda.
The Chief lies. It's a bad habit.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Jan 23, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
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perhaps you're too deep into your own ego to acknowledge that someone might know something that you do not and that you should STFU and listen and learn.
All right, Ed! Tell it like it is!!
My wife often tells me I have two ears and one mouth because I should listen (at least) twice as much as I talk! Funny, she has to keep telling me that.....
Anyway, that might good advice for you to keep in mind, Chief.
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Jan 23, 2015 - 12:37pm PT
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LOL, This stuff cracks me up!!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 23, 2015 - 12:48pm PT
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Ed hands the chuff his ass one more time. The really sad part is the Chief thinks he knows what all this data means.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Jan 23, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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Still can't figure out why The Chief bothers to drag in the junk science. His position is pretty clear. (We're all gonna die, Nature bats last.) Not hard to understand. But why waste everyone's time with the lunatic fringe? Yes- there may still be someone holed up in a cave that things WWII is still on, but are they the one to pay attention to?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 23, 2015 - 04:04pm PT
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The Chief...Your junk science is bankrupt much like the airport and town of Mammoth Lakes that you and Manning helped bankrupt....
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jan 23, 2015 - 04:11pm PT
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58% of the people in the world are having a hard enough time living to see the next day to give a f*#k about whether it gets two degrees warmer. In a hundred years, their progeny may give a f*#k, but that's not a given. By then, maybe the oil will run out and the rest of us "educated" and vastly over-consuming sheep will have something more important to worry about than whether our internet-fueled global warming rants meant a goddamn thing besides "oops we're f*#ked", regardless of the cause.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 23, 2015 - 04:16pm PT
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Chief, a boy's mind stuck in a man's body.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jan 23, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
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Chief's whole life has been one big shouting match.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
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What would those actions look like?
Really, that is the key question.
It's a rock and a hard place. On one hand, everybody wants to be able to hit a switch to turn on the lights, turn up the heat, and if it's weltering, jack up the AC.
We want to eat tomatoes in mid-winter, we want our latest X-boxes. And so do millions in "developing" nations, such as Brazil, India. And as these emerging areas take a step into the "Western world," they also want to eat higher on the food chain. No more gruel, Where's the Beef!
It all take energy.
Including the perpetual growth needs of neo-liberal capitalism and her over-weight sister, the multi-national corporations that run "what we build, where we build, and how we build it."
So, what actions will it take to break the deadly cycle we are facing. On one hand, we continue with the status quo. And we have a pretty darn good idea where that leads (3C+ degree rise in global temps in the not-too-distant future). And boy, is that gonna wreck our current standard of living! Not to mention our entire economic system--how the "markets" will crash!
So we ask, what action can we take where we get to keep the status quo? I mean, isn't that what everybody wants. Stay warm, turn up the heat. Too hot, crank the AC. And give me another steak for dinner, with lobster!
Yeah, but it ain't gonna happen that way.
We know the real answer is that the status quo cannot exist for long. You're not going to be able to just flick the switch and have whatever you want happen on the other end--there is the full weight of your action to consider.
For many, that is too much to consider. That's why it's so easy for the denier crowd to hitch on to what the Heartland Instititue sells. It's all a hoax, go home and turn up the heat, turn on all your incandescent lights. You see, no problem. And...Gas is CHEAP! It's EVERYWHERE.
Yes, the actions needed will break all of that. Are we up for the challenge, or do we say just say "screw it" and see how fast we can fly off the cliff?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 05:08pm PT
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I'm not sure what you're smoking there The Chief, but I'm not talking politics.
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