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monolith
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SF bay area
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Jan 22, 2015 - 07:57am PT
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Gavin Schmidt, NASA GISS director on his Twitter account:
This is a first. I'm accused of hiding my own analysis that I graphed, tweeted, included in press briefings & used on TV. Hilarity ensues!
But EdwardT can't find it on a NASA News release, so therefore NOAA and NASA are trying to hide it.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 22, 2015 - 08:31am PT
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I posted this rephrase of the industry propaganda release before, but it's worth repeating and embellishing. Oh, in a sane world.
That the new temp record for 2014, variously estimated as an increase from .001 to .004, is far less than their respective margins of errors and is consistent with the modest .8c natural temp rise out of the LIA, should not diminish the fact that this estimate was achieved by infills,homogenization, multiple coolings of the historical temps in conjunction with artificial upwards adjustments of present data, and other downright frauds. The fact that we, the various industry/government propaganda organs, have been caught fudging the data and trumpeting the false results will not preclude us from perpetuating this lie. The general public is just to stupid to realize what is best for them
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Jan 22, 2015 - 08:52am PT
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Sure Chief, Schmidt can lie on his twitter account and not be held accountable because it's not 'official'.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 22, 2015 - 08:53am PT
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Add "was a lie" to the end of your last sentence Chief.
Frosty, they have been caught red handed again with their hands in the cookie jar. The majority of the general public realizes the fraud the industry is. Are you telling me your stupidity surpasses the general public?
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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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Jan 22, 2015 - 08:56am PT
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so what are the "probabilities" that we quoted in this table?
it's not hard to find all manner of "qualitative" descriptors, but understanding how the probabilities are calculated is, perhaps, a more important science issue.
Any of you understand what it is that is represented in that table?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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do you understand what "probability" means The Chief?
that table doesn't explain it...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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The trend apparent In your graph,.Mono, is consistent with the modest .8c rise out of the LIA and should not diminish the fact.........
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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Sorry, Chief. Muller was commenting on the BEST temperature series, which shows 2014 tied with 2010 and 2005 which puts it pretty close to NASA/NOAA.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 22, 2015 - 09:28am PT
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Well Frosty, you might say I "felt" your professional forecast of epic precip for Ak of a couple weeks ago was wrong, or you might say upon witnessing the pattern of clouds/precip over the preceeding period and considering the unusual isothermic depth of the local atmosphere I was confident in calling b.s. on your expert forecast. Then again, maybe the near fifty percent range of uncertainty in ten day forecasts allowed for equal odds on a bottle spin. Whatever, it is a fact you were wrong about your "confidence in expert council", just like it is a fact that you are in support of the "big lie" on sick and twisted ideological grounds.
I believe that margin of error is .1c Chief, not .01.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:09am PT
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I may be wrong Chief, but I believe our good Dr. Strangelove is in agreement with you. It's just that his pesky computer arm seems to have a life of its own. So, allow me a clearer translation free of the random control arm. " What you fail to understand, The Chief, is that the uncertainty range is shrinking with time and in lockstep with the industry temp fudge factory efforts as well as illusory progress of the industry propaganda arms. Given enough effort at temp adjustment, and of course telling the same lies long enough and through an increasing dominance of state controlled media organs, the record temp claims will achieve parity with truth. At this point, since the uncertainty range will be less than 50%, we will be able to breathlessly announce new record temps without hiding the qualifications which currently negates the confidence level. The important thing to remember is scientism is a messy business and beyond the understanding of mere mortals, but is progressing forwards thanks to the models, praise the prophet.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:57am PT
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Great thread everybody! Takes 2 sides to Tango. One thing is for sure; humans are sure much more aware of what's happening on their 'spaceship' these days.
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raymond phule
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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And, as I asked two days ago when you posted the same lame excuse MONO, which "BEST temperature series" would that be that Mueller is referring to??
LOL
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:50am PT
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Good example of the big lie Frosty. Your presentation of our little bet on your forecast is the polar opposite from the truth. Im the one that offered to reduce the the threshold to 1.5 inches ti give your miserable frozen azz a snowballs chance in hell. You must deluded enough to believe people can't read . Keep up the good work of exposing yourself as the pathetic kook you are.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jan 22, 2015 - 12:04pm PT
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The Denier's are one of the following:
Oil Company employees
Religious Fundamentalists
Insane
Or, a combination of any of the above.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 22, 2015 - 12:19pm PT
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And, as I asked two days ago when you posted the same lame excuse MONO, which "BEST temperature series" would that be that Mueller is referring to??
That would be right here, Chiefy:
http://berkeleyearth.org/data
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 22, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
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LOL, The Chief didn't know Muller and Best had their own temp data series.
Again, no other global climate agency has declared 2014 as the warmest on record.
JMA was first to announce, Chiefy.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 22, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Again, no other global climate agency has declared 2014 as the warmest on record.
Dang you are ignorant, Chiefy.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jan 22, 2015 - 01:03pm PT
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Having trouble reading a graph, Chief?
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