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couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 4, 2012 - 10:21am PT
Free speech still free. Cartman can say what he wants without fear of being executed by irate muslims rule US court.
link:
http://www.legal-project.org/blog/


excerpt:

"Long "South Park" Sentence a Win for Free Speech

A convert to Islam who helped promote death threats against the producers of the animated television show "South Park" after it featured a character representing the prophet Mohammad will serve 11½ years in prison, a federal judge ordered Friday.

Jesse Morton pleaded guilty in February to conspiracy and two counts related to issuing threats in connection with actions after an April 2010 episode of the comedy. He asked the court for a sentence less than half of what he received, arguing he never tried to carry out the threats and since had moderated some of his extreme views to the degree that he hopes "one day help build bridges between the West and the Muslim World."

He apologized in court, the Associated Press reports, saying he "justified atrocities by Muslims simply because they were carried out by the weak against the powerful."

Regardless of Morton's current attitude, his actions in this case and through a radical website he helped launch inspired a host of others to plot terror attacks, prosecutors said. They will haunt the victims for the rest of their lives and stand to let threats silence public discourse.

U.S. District Judge Liam O'Grady seemed to agree with the prosecution argument that the threats will live on indefinitely for those targeted, and that a strong sentence is needed to stand against such brutal assaults on free speech.

"You were rubbing elbows with some of the most dangerous revolutionaries of the past few years," O'Grady said Friday, adding "there has to be religious tolerance in the world. There has to be freedom of speech."

Co-conspirator Zachary Chesser received a 25-year sentence last year. As he did with Chesser, Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Kromberg wrote a forceful sentencing memorandum for Morton detailing the perpetual nature of the threats conveyed.

Morton, 33, was a founder of the radical website Revolution Muslim, created in 2007 for posting material "supportive of violent jihad," court papers show. That's where the "South Park" threats were published, along with excerpts on bomb-making from al-Qaida's English-language Inspire magazine. The posting included a picture of slain Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, who was killed after producing a short film considered offensive to Islam. Producers Matt Stone and Trey Parker faced a similar fate, the posting said, suggesting Revolution Muslim supporters "pay a visit" to them. It also included audio files of American-born al-Qaida cleric Anwar al-Awlaki justifying the killing of anyone who defamed the prophet.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) minimized the significance of the threats when they first were issued, dismissing Revolution Muslim as "an extreme fringe group that has absolutely no credibility within the Muslim community." National spokesman Ibrahim Hooper even speculated the group was "set up only to make Muslims look bad."

But Morton's plea makes it clear that the group enjoyed a vast reach.

Revolution Muslim posts inspired others to plot and wage violence. In a statement of facts, he acknowledges interacting with at least a half-dozen other radical Islamists, including those who plotted to attack sites in the United States, Britain and Denmark.........."

click link for full story.....
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 4, 2012 - 11:37am PT
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jul 6, 2012 - 06:59pm PT

Who you know fresher than Hov'?
Riddle me that
The rest of y'all know where I'm lyrically at
Can't none of y'all mirror me back
Yeah hearin me rap is like hearin G. Rap in his prime
I'm,
young H.O.,
rap's Grateful Dead
Back to take over the globe, now break bread
I'm in,
Boeing jets,
Global Express
Out the country but the blueberry still connect
On the low but the yacht got a triple deck
But when you Young, what the f*#k you expect?

Yep,

yep

Grand openin, grand closin
God your man Hov' cracked the can open again
Who you gon' find doper than him
with no pen
just draw off inspiration
Soon you gon' see you can't replace him
with cheap imitations for DESE GENERATIONS

Now can I get an encore,
do you want more
Cookin raw with the Brooklyn boy
So for one last time I need y'all to roar

Now what the hell are you waitin for
After me, there shall be no more
So for one last time, nigga make some noise




 Jay Z.


/CLASH
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jul 6, 2012 - 09:06pm PT

30 years, same people, same idea nothing changes.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 7, 2012 - 08:43am PT
You'd never see this on "Meet the Depressed"

Excitement starts in the last min or so.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Jul 7, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
Fattrad,


This is for you and everyone else who loves Israel. They have carried the water for GOD for thousands of years ... and brought into the World Yeshua.





A Celebration of Israel, “The Apple of GOD’s Eye” …



I. WHO IS ISRAEL?
A. Israel: Descendents of Abraham, and his sons Isaac, and Jacob (12 tribes)
1. The Abrahamic Covenant

Gen.12:1-3 (KJV)
[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This covenant can be seen in five other passages in the first book of the Torah: Genesis 12:7; 13:14-17; 15:1-21; 17:1-21 and 22:15-18.

This covenant is unconditional, meaning it did not, and does not today, depend on Abraham or his descendants (the Jews) doing anything to earn it, but it depends solely on the grace of GOD. This covenant has three aspects: the Land Promise, the Nation Promise, and the Spiritual Blessing Promise.

The Land Promise: GOD gave Abraham and His descendents the land of Israel as their inheritance forever (Genesis 12:7; 13:14-17; 15:17-21; 22:15-18)

The Nation Promise: Abraham is promised a great nation of descendants (Genesis 12:2)

The Spiritual Blesssing Promise: The Jewish people will be the channel of blessing for the World (Genesis 12:3)

This has been copied from the Book -- Promised Land: Israel Through the Eyes of Surfers, Study Guide


Movie Premiere of “Israel Inside”
Tuesday, July 10, 2012, at the La Jolla Museum of Contemporary Art, 7-9pm
The Israel Miracle:
http://www.birdpresents.com/
Israel Inside: How a Small Nation Makes a Big Difference
http://www.israelinsidethemovie.com/
Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGmrunBFdpg&feature=player_embedded
http://www.israelinsidethemovie.com/film-synopsis/


Col. Raanan Gissin & Rabbi Efrem Goldberg on Shalom Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy_YZ0H-lMs


Promised Land: Israel through the Eyes of Surfers
http://promisedlandthemovie.com/
http://walkingonwater.com/2012/02/an-update-from-todd-morehead-director-of-promised-land/








(On a side note: via "Finding Your Roots" PBS TV program as inspiration ...
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/finding-your-roots/


I'm going forward and tracking my family lineage through DNA, through the company "23andMe."
https://www.23andme.com/partner/foa/

I know my maternal side of the family via paper records goes straight to Mayo County, Ireland. My Grandmother had a Jewish nose and darker skin. I didn't know my mother's mother very well, as a result of my parents divorcing when I was very young. I regret that completely. But I have come to learn very recently, that we may have Jewish descent on the maternal side of the family. They may have been "crypto Jews," meaning of Jewish ancestry but practicing or baptized into another faith, and not practicing (or practicing in secret) Judaism as a result of possible persecution.

Then on my paternal side of the family I have recently came to know that the Baker's, who are "Black Dutch" married heavily into the Simpson family. The two families essentially married straight across. The two families met while coming down the Mississippi River, on a river boat. The Simpson boys married up all the Baker daughters, and the one Simpson daughter married the one Baker boy. Well, "Black Dutch" are supposed to be Jews who escaped persecution, the Spanish Inquisition, and then settled in the Netherlands and Germany.

So I may have Jewish ancestry via my maternal and paternal sides of my family. My maternal side of my family we can trace to the early 1800s. The paternal side of my family we can trace to the early 1600s. My love for Israel has always come directly through my faith in The Messiah, Yeshua. Maybe it runs deeper than that. Maybe its genetic?

We shall see. )
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 9, 2012 - 11:56am PT
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/08/world/asia/afghanistan-public-execution/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 9, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
You must be slipping Jeff. You missed this one. (now you got me seeing this stuff:-)

Question: what do you call the first Muslim scientist to win a noble prize?

Answer: Heretic. and then after you kill his relatives and those with similar beliefs for heresy you erase his name from the history books for apostasy. That is, believing in a God not consistent with sunni teachings of religious beliefs.



http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-shuns-physicist-linked-god-particle-185057298.html
"ISLAMABAD (AP) — The pioneering work of Abdus Salam, Pakistan's only Nobel laureate, helped lead to the apparent discovery of the subatomic "God particle" last week. But the late physicist is no hero at home, where his name has been stricken from school textbooks.

Praise within Pakistan for Salam, who also guided the early stages of the country's nuclear program, faded decades ago as Muslim fundamentalists gained power. He belonged to the Ahmadi sect, which has been persecuted by the government and targeted by Taliban militants who view its members as heretics.

Their plight — along with that of Pakistan's other religious minorities, such as Shiite Muslims, Christians and Hindus — has deepened in recent years as hardline interpretations of Islam have gained ground and militants have stepped up attacks against groups they oppose. Most Pakistanis are Sunni Muslims.

Salam, a child prodigy born in 1926 in what was to become Pakistan after the partition of British-controlled India, won more than a dozen international prizes and honors. In 1979, he was co-winner of the Nobel Prize for his work on the so-called Standard Model of particle physics, which theorizes how fundamental forces govern the overall dynamics of the universe. He died in 1996.

Salam and Steven Weinberg, with whom he shared the Nobel Prize, independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass, said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a Pakistani physicist who once worked with Salam. It is also known as the "God particle" because its existence is vitally important toward understanding the early evolution of the universe.

Physicists in Switzerland stoked worldwide excitement Wednesday when they announced they have all but proven the particle's existence. This was done using the world's largest atom smasher at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, near Geneva.

"This would be a great vindication of Salam's work and the Standard Model as a whole," said Khurshid Hasanain, chairman of the physics department at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad..........." more...

The specifics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya

Hmmmm?


couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 10, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
In keeping with this "Clash" idea, will we be seeing any intolerance or crazy stories (thinking sinat chinam) from you concerning or about the Ultra-orthodox Jewish community hhhhhmmmm....or perhaps an entire new thread so that we don't accidentally mix metaphor's so to speak?


LOL!


Regards:
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 10, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
Iranians were recently nabbed trying to blow up Western targets in Mombasa, Kenya. 85 kilos of RDX explosives still uncovered. 15 kilos secured.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 10, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
pretty tough to take that the wrong way...












TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 11, 2012 - 12:06am PT
From Iran

(Mohabat News) — According to recently released statistics, in the past few weeks over 75 female children under 10 were forced to marry much older men. In 3929 cases, bride and groom were both under 14.

In a discussion of the issue organised by the Khabar Online news website, conservative law-maker and spokesperson for the Majles committee Mohammad Ali Isfenani said: “Before the revolution girls under 16 were not allowed to marry.

Parents determined to get around the law would often tamper with their daughter’s birth certificate. Under the previous constitution, people were legally regarded as adults when they were 18. After the revolution the age at which children were regarded as going through puberty was lowered to 9 for girls and 15 for boys.

He added: “As some people may not comply with our current Islamic legal system, we must regard 9 as being the appropriate age for a girl to have reached puberty and qualified to get married. To do otherwise would be to contradict and challenge Islamic Sharia law.”

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 12, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
Dude you quoted a JOHN BOLTON article.

He may be the only person with less credibility than George Bush or Faux Newz.

You seriously need to find yourself some reasonable information sources and stop drinking the coolaid.

The right wing is quickly approaching CULT STATUS.

You are quite seriously a candidate for INTERVENTION.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 12, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
Speaking of cult status.

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/11985/sodomy-for-the-sake-of-islam
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 13, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
and Israel expressing concern that its window of opportunity for military action is starting to close.

Why? Have Israel's weapons started to expire?

You started this "imminent" war thread three years ago. Should be any minute now....
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 13, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
Sure, "Bring 'em on".

I mean they're over the horizon and sterile right? Kinda......
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jul 13, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
I think it sounds like sabre rattling. You know, the kind coming out of you.

Before two azzholes fight on the playground, they stand there and puff up for one another.

It's been done since the beginning of time.

Sometimes they fight, sometimes they don't.

Lots of puffing going on these days.

I'm not personally worried about Iran overwhelming the USA, Israel, France, Great Britain, Canada and Tonga with her military might.

Are you?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 13, 2012 - 08:59pm PT
Not even if they have nukes.

Let em have em.. what they gonna do with it?

Commit suicide by using one?

NOT

The only problem I see that our government has with nukes is that they tend to lead to peace.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 13, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
You are presuming rationality from those that speak down a well to a child dead for 4-6 hundred years that is supposed to resurrect himself and usher in a great Apocalypse. (the 12th Imam)



philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Jul 14, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
You started this "imminent" war thread three years ago. Should be any minute now....
LOL!

And, Israel will take care of this.
If that were the case why are you so worried about it?


And he also said Bush Jr was going to be added to Mt. Rushmore as the greatest American President ever.
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