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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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but it will be interesting to see how they get around those four words.
one word
"intent"
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Maracas...
Lynching photos.
Potaytoes...
Potahtoes.
Unbelievable.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The first order of the Republican Senate?
Eliminate the Filibuster!
or lower the threshold to 54 votes, the same as their majority.
This is after they used the Filibuster to Obstruct almost every Bill since 2006 when they lost their majority of 50 votes.
They used the filibuster to keep the unemployment high, to stop any economic recovery, to keep Americans poor and hungry, to work against the President at every step, and a 100 more ways that we could have improved the lives of millions.
Now all of sudden, they don't like the Dems playing the same game of obstruction.
Wow, can they be any bigger of hypocrites?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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The first order of the Republican Senate?
Eliminate the Filibuster!
or lower the threshold to 54 votes, the same as their majority.
Those Republicans are a savvy bunch.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Now all of sudden, they don't like the Dems playing the same game of obstruction.
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Yep, that's pretty much been the political tactic for both Parties for years. It sure would be nice to see actual, effective leadership that involves introducing reasonable legislation or policy that is in the primary interests of average citizens, and having the other Party help modify it to work for as many interests as possible.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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It sure would be nice to see actual, effective leadership that involves introducing reasonable legislation or policy that is in the primary interests of average citizens, and having the other Party help modify it to work for as many interests as possible.
the last time that happened was shortly after the Republicans passed the Great Socialism
Medicare Prescription Drug legislation around 03
there were many problems with its implementation, and so the Democrats stepped up an willingly joined the Republicans in passing additional legislation to "fix" it
don't hold your breath expecting the Repubs to do the same and join in to fix a damn thing
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2015 - 10:05am PT
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I think congress should try again to repeal obamacare.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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I think Congress should pass a Campaign Finance Amendment, placing strict limits on contributions.
Will it happen?
Not in my lifetime.
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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I think Congress should pass a Campaign Finance Amendment, placing strict limits on contributions.
congress did exactly that, McCain/Feingold legislation
which was negated by the Citizen's United SCOTUS Decision 5-4 "conservative" majority
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Norton, the key word in Edward's post was "amendment." Congress passed legislation that violated the First Amendment.
John
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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There is a push to Amend the Constitution that would fix "Citizen's United"
The amendment would say that only "People are Persons"
"Corporations are People too" only exists in the minds of people that want to subvert the original "intent" of the Constitution
We the People, Not We the Corporations
https://movetoamend.org/
On January 21, 2010, with its ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are persons, entitled by the U.S. Constitution to buy elections and run our government. Human beings are people; corporations are legal fictions.
We, the People of the United States of America, reject the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United and other related cases, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons entitled to constitutional rights.
The Supreme Court is misguided in principle, and wrong on the law. In a democracy, the people rule.
We Move to Amend.
". . . corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires. Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their 'personhood' often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of “We the People” by whom and for whom our Constitution was established."
~Supreme Court Justice Stevens, January 2010
The Koch Brothers will have more than $1 Billions to spend in 2016 to buy our Political Representatives. And most of that money will be spent on Negative Advertising.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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I've signed one (or more) on-line petitions supporting such an amendment.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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So you would argue, Craig, that the New York Times Co. (a corporation) had no First Amendment rights when Bull Connor sued it. The Warren Court thought otherwise in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.
John
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I'm not going to argue with you about it John
I say Move to Amend, end of comment
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I second Craig's motion
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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John,
If Craig's desire for move to amend were successful, would unions fall under the same rules as corporations in campaign finance?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Unions are a collection of people that want the Union to pool their funds for the political reason of maintaining their livelihood.
But if we amend the Constitution so it gets rid of "Corporations are people" and Unions are no longer able make political contributions, then I guess they lose and we will have to live with that lose.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Unions are a collection of people that want the Union to pool their funds for the political reason of maintaining their livelihood.
Unless you belong to the Longshoreman's Union in which case you belong to
a terroristic organization dedicated to extortion. Many California farmers
lost their whole crop this year because those gangsters prevented them from
getting their crops to market. Many small truckers also lost a significant
percentage of their income. The Longshoremen also actively resist all
attempts to modernize the ports.
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