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Tom Fralich
Mountain climber
New York, NY
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Black Corridor sucks, and the belaying there has to be some of the worst I've ever seen. Downright terrifying.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Amazing face at Mt. Diablo
You gotta be joking, somebody has 'rated' that piece of shite? (I learned to climb at Diablo in the late '60s, I may even be one of the first to free climb it, not that I care.)
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ec
climber
ca
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Patrick,
LOL Yeah, you have that right, and because of it the place is FUBAR. Thx to the idiots who have trashed it.
 ec
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jeez EC, I haven't been there for some 15 years, but you make it sound like the "Boy Scout" rocks area on Diablo is a dump. Doesn't surprise me. That said, and even though it is where I first learned to climb, the place was always a bit of a choss pile. I may have fond memories of it, but I can't see myself climbing there again.
As for volcanoes, I have climbed the three big Mexican ones, nothing wrong with those, but just a slog. Sort of like Hood and Shasta, now Shuksan is a bit different, as is Rainer.
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Hardly Visible
Social climber
Llatikcuf WA
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Patrick,
Just so you know Shuksan is not a volcano, that’s why it’s different.It is composed of a metamorphic rock known locally
as Shuksan greenschist,which probably started out as ocean floor volcanics though now thoroughly recrystallized and transported far from it’s point of origin by fault movement.
Any of the Cascade volcanoes by their standard routes make for nice viewpoints (weather permitting) but as climbs are rather lack luster being just long often crowded snow walks.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Hey Tetz, how about the Riverside Quarry?
hilarious . . .
JL
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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The crucible of greatness for the WOS boys...speaking of overrated. LOL
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wack-N-dangle
Gym climber
the ground up
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First time I was in the Black Corridor, someone said that it used to be a nice place to picnic before there were routes. There were trees, birds, grass, etc. Last time I went, there were more routes. Seems kind of like a Catch-22. Sometimes, visiting the wild places we love changes them. Still, I agree that bolts leave relatively permanent marks.
How about gyms as areas to organize climbers, and teach future generations? It might help keep the ethics debate alive. How about a taco thread to celebrate clean ascents. It might even provide beta for those who want it.
I think I just need to STFU, throw some bones towards The Access Fund, ASCA, or AAC, get back to work, and plan to go climbing. Woo hoo! Local plastic crag is open on Sunday.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Yeah Kevin, I know that Shuksan is not a volcano, but I thought that I would mention it anyway, as it is the first peak I climbed outside of the Sierra (1973 when I was 17). I also climbed St Helens the same year. Now that is a volcano.
PS I always wanted to do Baker but it seems like a pain in the arse in more ways than one.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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wack-N-dangle:
First time I was in the Black Corridor, someone said that it used to be a nice
place to picnic before there were routes. There were trees, birds, grass, etc.
That's sad.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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I wish I were still able to climb enough to bitch about climbs I thought were over rated. They're ALL outstanding in my book. Any day climbing a choss pile beats sitting around the house getting older and fatter.
Ed
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Yeah, I don't care for the Black Corridor either. Ever since it became a 'Sport Climbing destination' it has had an unpleasant vibe to it. Very incongruous to the rest of Red Rock in my opinion.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Any one remember their early years climbing some genuine pile of choss and returning ecstatic from the experience? You dudes are way jaded.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Yeah, you can pretty much write off California, why go there?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Gross man, it's now both pathetic and hilarious how fixated you still seem to be on WoS. More than 25 years later, you still can't let it go.
There is life after Wings, dude. Time to move on, don't you think? Does yet another thread have to get turned into your attempt to get a dogpile going on the WoS guys?
Whatever, man, wow... time to get over it! Give it a rest. You do not become somehow greater because of your endless attempts to make less of us. You've convinced anybody you are going to. For all the rest of us, it's just tiresome.
Regarding the Quarry, I haven't been there in many years, and I can't speak about its sport climbs. But our aid routes there were certainly not overrated. Climbers (that's plural; I know of at least two) have died on our routes there. Whatever else it is, the Quarry is home to some seriously loose, technical, and difficult aid routes.
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Rankin
climber
North Carolina
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Man, that Double Cross troll never gets old. Russ, the master of the wind-up.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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dble cross is bolted?
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quartziteflight
climber
Who knows?
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ha ha great thread..
Here my list..
Anything alpine or mountaineering..way too much f*#king work and spooning with dudez is a no go!
Ice climbing..use to love it, but its like aid climbing...
And then there's aid climbing..shits like carpentry!
Route wise..
super crack...
yos...crowded, piss stained pig infested eurogrape smuggler refuge..lol
most of colorado...
carry on with the trash talkn!bishes!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Anybody else think highly of the aid masterpieces at Riverside??? Louie was as silent as you were when the topic was last raised. Hundreds of posts and not a peep from you ??? Odd.
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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Chiloe wrote:
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Anybody else hate the Black Corridor at Red Rock? Enclosed, overcrowded and
noisy, with grid-bolted generic routes and no view at all -- the most gymlike crag I've
ever visited outdoors.
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Sure, agreed, I'd say that's the consensus. Since it's known as such, I don't consider it overrated. This 'overrated' business is more a matter of expectations than objective qualities of a climb.
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