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Bob D'A
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Boulder, CO
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Jul 27, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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Fat...you don't make any sense...Gates didn't break any laws...the police lied on the report.
Read the fecking 911 report.
It looks like Obama was right and the police were out out of line.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 27, 2009 - 11:55pm PT
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Fat..he didn't break any laws. Try harder next time.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2009 - 12:11am PT
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"You'd be surprised at how vaguely some laws are written and how they might be interpreted." That works against Crowley also, as they can be interpreted as applying against him: false arrest and trespassing.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 28, 2009 - 12:18am PT
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Fat..yelling or using a loud voice at a cop is not breaking the law.
Crowley messed up...lost his cool.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 28, 2009 - 12:19am PT
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I don't think taking someone to jail for "looking funny" would pass constitutional muster as they say.
But I do think that the cop who took in Gates said that Gates was behaving in such a way that the cop couldn't talk on his radio. If true, that does sound like "tumultuous" conduct that could warrant an arrest. Not saying it's true--I don't know.
Look at this way:
Gates had a right to be in his house cuz he owns it;
cop had a right to be in the house because he was investigating a report of a break in;
cop had a right to conduct his investigation without being interfered with by anyone, including Gates;
Gates interfered with cop, in a tumultuous manner, so got arrested.
Simple, no?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2009 - 02:55am PT
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"But I do think that the cop who took in Gates said that Gates was behaving in such a way that the cop couldn't talk on his radio. If true, that does sound like "tumultuous" conduct that could warrant an arrest. Not saying it's true--I don't know."
Crowley couldn't charge him with "disorderly conduct" for what he was doing inside of his own home. In Massachusetts, you can only be guilty of "disorderly conduct" for conduct that is in public or in the presence of others (not counting the police). That is why Crowley wanted him to go back outside.
It's as if someone is standing outside of his car, intoxicated but not drunk, and a cop ASKS him to drive his car just so he can charge him with a DUI. Except in that example, there is technically a DUI. Saying that Gates was engaging in disorderly conduct because he called Crowley a racist is a real stretch.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 28, 2009 - 10:44am PT
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Or the cop after seeing the ID could have said thank you, glad everything is ok and left.
And after Gates telling the cop that he was a professor at Harvard...the cop didn't have to reply "and I'm the president of the United States".
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2009 - 12:03pm PT
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"It would be churlish to suggest that blacks are to blame for such misunderstandings, which obviously have their roots in injustices of the not-that-distant past. But blacks bear the burden of such suspicions and, by necessity, of overcoming them."
First, it is not clear to me that Crowley would have reacted the same way if Gates had been a white professor.
Second, it always grates to hear a white wingnut (in this case James Taranto of the WSJ) telling blacks how they should deal with racism.
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