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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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May 14, 2009 - 09:10am PT
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It's sort of bizarre how this thread has gotten a lot of "you're wrong"(for writing/thinking as we do)types of posts and the guys corresponding thread really didn't.
Someone accused Susan/women for wanting "a slave." Jeezuz. In the guy thread, it talked about how it was women who "stopped" them from climbing, as if the man had no choice. For ones who would say that was the case - do you think a woman, with a guy version of "that woman"(who stopped you from climbing) would fare even NEARLY as well?
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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May 14, 2009 - 10:25am PT
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I will be clear of work tomorrow @12:15. Would be very happy to climb. Norcal, no wheels.Fully touchstone certified, have as big a rack as will ever be needed this side of nailing. Gender and romantic attachment of other climber immaterial. If nothing else, I'll be the old guy @ diablo rock gym trying to figure out what "eggs in a basket" might be.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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May 14, 2009 - 11:07am PT
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Jaybro: "Fully touchstone certified."
Hehehe.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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May 14, 2009 - 12:10pm PT
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I guess I don't understand the point of OP. I thought it was about relationships b/c the girl and guy were specifically supposed to be single (and both really into climbing).
For finding parters, I'll suggest that for a single gal not looking for romance you are most likely to find successful partnerships with others in this order:
1. Happily married guys with wives that don't climb. Similar or better skill level.
2. Single guys that are generationally inappropriate matches for you romantically. Similar or better skill level. Note: Problems may arise due to abiguous category definitions here.
3. Single guys of comparable skill level. They will want to date you, but you might be able to work through it.
4. A woman who is much more of a beginner than you.
5. A woman who is your peer and won't try to kill you in your sleep.
6. A woman who outclimbs you by miles.
7. Single guys that outclimb you by miles with no romantic inclinations whatsoever.
8. A guy that wants you to teach him how to climb.
For attached women, I'd modify the list to say:
1. SO
2. SO's friends.
etc.
Just for fun, of course. But kind of true too.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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May 14, 2009 - 12:45pm PT
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1. Happily married guys with wives that don't climb. Similar or better skill level. Agreed, they just want to climb, and have a good day out.
2. Single guys that are generationally inappropriate matches for you romantically. Similar or better skill level. Note: Problems may arise due to abiguous category definitions here. I have climbed with guys on both too young/too old ends of this spectrum. Also, good days out there. But don't discount that some young gys like older women(or will at least give it a shot) and lots of older guys like the younger women(and will give it a shot, with all the little tricks they learned along the way since being the young guy)
3. Single guys of comparable skill level. They will want to date you, but you might be able to work through it. Have had plenty of good days out with these guys too. I would say may want to boff you is more accurate than the term "date."
4. A woman who is much more of a beginner than you. I've been having these partners the last two seasons, and am finding it good for my own confidence as a leader(day leader, not lead climber, although that too)
5. A woman who is your peer and won't try to kill you in your sleep. Have to admit - these have bee problematic to find. The ones I have had, I actually didn't feel all that comfortable with. Partly my own trust issues, but also the disparity in levels of risk tolerance, even at similar climbing levels is something not to be taken lightly.
6. A woman who outclimbs you by miles.Have climbed with a few; usually these women have partner networks already in place, and I'm just lucky to be there,
7. Single guys that outclimb you by miles with no romantic inclinations whatsoever. I can't comment here, for several reasons
8. A guy that wants you to teach him how to climb. I've had several of those guys from Futness-Singles ask for that. Usually they are pretty obviously not looking to climb anything real. But I do suppose there are some out there; still, at my age, I don't think this is a legitimate climbing partner-seeker. Maybe for someone in their 20's though, but I think they'd still be wanting to boff you, with the climbing as an excuse!
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murcy
climber
San Fran Cisco
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May 14, 2009 - 01:49pm PT
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Jaybro, I'd be into anything tomorrow that allows me to leave SF at 9am or later, and get to Palo Alto by 8pm. Gym or not; have wheels.
I am happily married, though, so no funny stuff.
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Pennsylenvy
Social climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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May 14, 2009 - 02:45pm PT
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Yeah Jaybo....NO funny stuff!!!!
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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May 14, 2009 - 02:53pm PT
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"You can also become useless after some strange illness and end up never climbing, talking too much and wishing you could get a grip on yourself. Now that is fun."
I feel for you girl, I'm going through what you are, but not for the same why.
Getting a grip is proving elusive. :(
Explains rest of post.
Which I deleted it was so bad.
I thought this thread was an ad for San Fransisco too.
Not much to add except that it is a relationship issue, single or not, sex or not. I'm over it. I just want too climb, which I pretty much can't.
Sex is overrated and locker is right on!
Thanks for making me laugh man, and sorry I did not introduce myslef at Todd's. I'm socially inept.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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May 14, 2009 - 02:56pm PT
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"7. Single guys that outclimb you by miles with no romantic inclinations whatsoever."
Can anyone on this list give me a single example of such a person actually existing (eunuchs notwithstanding)? I pretty much have to "see it to belive it."
JL
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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May 14, 2009 - 02:57pm PT
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standing strong, I mean t*r, you want to meet a great mid 30's guy?
I have a friend, who is a little too young for me, who climbs some, but rips like no other on snow, mountain bike, and drums.
He's in Virginian Lakes now.
Grandson of Cedric Wright.
http://www.wildnesswithin.com/cedric.html
Let love come to you.
I have not followed this advice very well.
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hossjulia
Trad climber
Eastside
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May 14, 2009 - 02:58pm PT
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Largo is right, it is human nature.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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May 14, 2009 - 03:02pm PT
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Single guys that outclimb you by miles with no romantic inclinations whatsoever = ghey or a guy doing the "if I pretend I could care less she'll start to like me" routine.
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susan peplow
climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2009 - 03:28pm PT
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The significance of stating Single Female in the OP is that often non-single guys significant other has a giant problem with "their guy" off spending time with "climber chick".
Chances are a MF (or PMCC pseudo married climber chick) may not have the same problem with climber guy's wife/date/SO. I've been single and looking to climb and it often seemed inappropriate to climb with a guy who was married or attached.
And don't forget, even if the SO of said guy doesn't have a problem....perhaps she should. I know men that are incapable of setting or staying within set boundaries.
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enjoimx
Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
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May 14, 2009 - 03:31pm PT
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Im right here BABE
Call me
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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May 14, 2009 - 03:49pm PT
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I put #7 and #8 at the end of the likelihood list for the very reason that, although I actually believe that they exist, they are about as rare as the Yeti.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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May 14, 2009 - 04:05pm PT
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I thought #7 included men who were gay, but I also have climbed with single guys who didn't have interest in me as more than climbing partner du jour. I'm not that full of myself that I'd think every guy who has ever met me thinks I'm ...well, you know.
There are also guys who are focused on their own climbing lifestyle and don't want to be distracted, don't want to find themselves having to compromise on a day out there. Hell, they're in this forum, 20 years down the road, woken up and wondering what happened. In some respects, that's me too. If my momma had explained to me how the pool thins out, and how we have less tolerance for other's crap and such, maybe I would have made more effort when I was in my 20's.....(but probably not. My agenda was to go to NYC and be a fashion designer at that time, and then there were all those wasted hours pining for the guy who keeps you on a string %$#@*&&!!!).
There are also guys with low self-esteem, or had their hearts broken, who just don't want to risk the pain of trying. Just the same as with women.
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kellie
climber
Seattle
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May 14, 2009 - 04:08pm PT
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Funny, when I first started climbing one of my two main partners was way down on your list -- a woman who was miles better than I. Fortunately she didn't have a regular partner at the time and I was always ready to get out. We are still good friends and climb and travel together a lot. Why do you think that is such an extremely unlikely scenario?
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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May 14, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
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#7 can include gay guys. I don't happen to know any that fit into that category, but I'm sure some exist.
On that note, my some of my first gym partners were a group of gay French guys. They were great climbing parnters, but the ones interested in climbing outdoors went back to France. None of them would have fit into category 7 or 8.
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Russ Walling
Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
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May 14, 2009 - 04:15pm PT
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Mel writes: On that note, my some of my first gym partners were a group of gay French guys
That statement seems a bit redundant.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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May 14, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
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"Someone accused Susan/women for wanting "a slave." Jeezuz."
Happie, read that again. It wasn't directed at Susan or at women in general but at an unnamed woman who is possibly hypothetical. Susan is not a good example of how hard women have it. LOL.
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