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guyman
Trad climber
Moorpark, CA.
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JL good one.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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What is happening here is this: everyone sees Obama's victory as vindication that they were right and Lois was wrong, and they want her to admit this, or if they don't get this, they at least want to see her upset. But her opinion hasn't changed, and frankly, she doesn't care that much.
She made it clear before the election that she had her opinion--she likes Palin as a person and that everyone else was welcome to their opinion. Her side might lose but she wasn't going to get upset about it.
Now the election has taken place and her candidates have lost. And just like she said, she's not getting upset about it. This is just driving people wild.
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WBraun
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Lois should have run for VP instead of Sarah .....
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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People in the McCain campaign are trying to blame Palin for McCain's defeat. But Palin was just being herself. McCain has a very long list of potential candidates and his campaign spend a lot of time considering who to choose. He ended up not picking anyone from the list and choosing Palin.
If Palin was not the best choice, why did Palin pick her? Also, if McCain started having doubts about Palin's competence, why didn't he replace her? Would he really be putting "country first" by becoming our oldest elected President with someone he considered incompetent as his VP.
Even if everything is true, it reflects much worse on McCain then on Palin.
The Africa thing does sound like an exaggeration or wild rumour. I'm sure the story was making the rounds in the McCain camp and getting more wild with each telling, but did it really happen?
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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I'm hoping Barney the dog doesn't join the circle jerk.
Our nation has laws in respect to slander and libel:
As I understand it, Sarah has the option to sue, but must demonstrate veracity as well as intent to harm.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I don't agree Granite. I think the issue is really the future of the GOP. Will Palin be a new major figure, showing the GOP leader of the future, or will we consider her to be an unfortunate sideshow and support a wiser, reformed conservatism (see Bluering's thread) that's not based on blind folksy faith nor neo-conservative exploitation?
A lot is at stake, particularly for those who want a respectable future for their party, and for those who hope for a reasonable and sane counterweight to the DEM majority.
If both parties seeks sane and coherent expressions of intelligent policies, admittedly informed by their different perspectives, we have a choice of common ground.
Palin showed nothing of this and worked tirelessly to misinform and tear down. Those of us interested in real change and good government may wish to repudiate her and her tactics for the sake of both parties.
peace
Karl
Hi Lynne, I don't think you are getting me here but don't think it matters so much. I'll probably be at the Nose events on Saturday. See ya!
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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"It would make her look foolish"
please tell me you are joking.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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LEB wrote
"Let us be honest here. Nothing and no one is going allay your ever present fears and malcontent. There IS NO Republican who is going to be good enough for you. Just accept that and forget about. Move on, Man. Not one of them is going to meet your standards because................(hint, hint) YOU don't like Republicans. You also just love to fret and worry about these things. Good grief, Karl, you even worry about how Jesus would have voted"
I would be sad and happy if you betrayed your reputation for not getting it Lois. Your character assessment of me makes as much sense as if I tried to characterize you as a bull dyke who eats babies for sadistic eroticism.
Unlike yourself, I personally know, and have spent hour and hours with dozens of Supertopo readers. Many, many of them are Republicans. We get along great and both "sides" know that neither Fear nor Malcontent are trademark emotions for me.
Whether true or false, the "Palin doesn't know 5th grade geography" obviously came from GOP (Mccain Aide) sources and was reported by Fox News and others. This time the DEMS had nothing to do with it (even though you wrongly said they did)
Palin matters. This thread is about her. What's your point in posting paragraphs and paragraphs in such a thread and then complaining that we are talking about it? The fact is, you are the cause for the longevity of the thread because you provide us the irritable itch to scratch.
You think your life won't change. I think it will, regardless of McCain/Palin or Obama. The world is on the brink of change. I'm sure you'll be fine though, because you are somehow protected, like Chancy Gardner in "Being there"
Lois, you really owe it to yourself to come to the facelift next year! You've spent hours and hours getting to "know" us here and you obviously have the money. It would be a fascinating anthropology experiment for you (and us) to compare real world observations with online personalities.
Peace
Karl
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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"Nothing and no one is going allay your ever present fears and malcontent. There IS NO Republican who is going to be good enough for you. Just accept that and forget about. "
That's the thing, LEB. You're having an argument with the imaginary liberal in your head. Karl is having an argument with YOU.
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Omot
Trad climber
The here and now
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Oh boy, go away for a day and see this thread has been reduced to trying to get LEB to see the light. A Sisyphisian task.
I'm outta here.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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no, you're Omota here
and you're right too.
But being wrong (even when right but wasting our time) has never stopped us here.
No willl.....Power....To....Resist.....Queen....of....Accidental .....TRoll people.......
;-)
Karl
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Prov 1:5-9 says:
"A WISE one will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise and their dark sayings.
The fear of the LORD is th beginning of wisdom and instruction.
My son, hear the instruction of thy father , and forsake not the law of thy mother:
for they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck."
Wisdom, knowledge, learning, instruction as well as sloppy speech are constant themes of Solomon, the world's wisest man. It is the stubborn dearth of these very principles that have buried the late Republican Party.
It is God alone who judges our identity, value and accomplishments. Certainly, being a politician is no guarantee of value.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Haha yeah Karl it's too true.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Bravo karl. Accidental Troll people. hahaha That is classic.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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"Jesus, Karl, calm down. Please!"
I can't speak for Jesus but I assure you that not only am I not fearful or malcontent, but I'm also calm!
But I do not lead a normal life, Can't claim that I'm afraid.
Off to bed (You stay up damn late Lois being on the east coast, what are your shifts? When do you wake up?)
Seriously, we all want you to come to some supertaco event. You'll love it! After so much time invested, it would be like going to Africa for the first time after being an African studies major in school (and the inquiring Africans are curious too)
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Good for you Lois. Honor that free time in your life cause overwork crushes your spirit unless you are totally inspired to do certain work.
Which is probably best that McCain won't be working himself to death as president. 71 is time enough for anybody not to step into the fastest lane of all.
Peace
karl
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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proverb 1:5-10 says " A man who pretends to know someone's positions but can't even spell their name is a fool indeed".
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Scott Wayland
climber
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Mister E: Yes, yes, yes!
LEB: My only post on this topic as it's become a monster: You FINALLY addressed, in an off-hand way, one of the facts that so bothers folks her about Palin--that she has very POOR knowledge about geo-political issues of even the most basic sort. Whether she is a nice person or not, whether she's accomplished some things or not--these are not at the heart of the matter. What is at the heart is/was her fitness for the world's HIGHEST office! Is it even remotely acceptable to have someone running for that office who can't even identify the members of NAFTA? Holy crap, that just blows me away.
Put this another way: If Joe Biden or Obama had been so completely dense on such a basic subject, he would have been laughed out of the room. Rush Limpbaugh would have spewed more than his usual volume of vitriol, the Right would have a field day. What happens? The Right (and you) refuse to acknowledge what is obvious to virtually all the other posters at Taco: Palin was completely and totally out of her league. She had absolutely no business being on the ticket.
Oh, one last thought: I have serious questions about her morality, too, if she did/does indeed hunt animals from helicopters. That is a totally sick, indefensible act. I've been a hunter, killed, dressed and eaten big game, so I'm not against hunting. What helicopter hunting GUARANTEES is that animals will be wounded rather than killed cleanly, so it maximizes suffering. I know Palin supported the helicopter hunting of wolves and other animals though I'm not certain she herself has participated. Either way, she's a low sort of human being in this regard.
So, Lois, are you OK with terribly wounding animals for sport? What does that do for your image of this great Frau Palin? If the Republicans are smart, they will run (not walk) away from her.
Cheerios,
Scott
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