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Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Jun 16, 2008 - 02:47pm PT

""More Marines now die in motorcycle accidents while off the base, than in combat each month in Iraq."

Yeah, and we don't hear from the conservatives about invading Harley-Davidson do we? (maybe they've already taken over?)

Bikes don't kill people, Asphalt does!

kev

climber

Jun 16, 2008 - 03:16pm PT

Karl,

That was funny. But we wouldn't invade Harley-Davidson, that's near England isn't it? But Kawasaki and Suzuki those guys are foreigners and we know what to do with them.

Wouldn't be surprised if we tried to legislate some BS. Most (all?) states have helmet laws. What's next helmet laws for climbing (don't get me wrong I almost always climb with one but would hate not to have the choice)

Wait that OT for this OT thread (OOT?)

kev

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Jun 16, 2008 - 04:02pm PT

"Wait that OT for this OT thread (OOT?) "

This thread is ready to go OT for OT cause the points have already been made.

Except that it's on-topic because invading the wrong people who didn't attack us is part of the problem. The Marines don't get to decide who to invade nor decide when they get to go home.

We have to elect and pressure our politicians to make those decisions with integrity. Getting it right should be a maximum priority for the Right and Left alike.

It's time for the Right to call their Spades, spades, kick out the neo-cons and get back to wise fiscal policy, freedom from Government meddling, and so on.

Peace

Karl

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 08:31pm PT

Our soldiers patrolling Sadr City will be relieved to learn motorcycle riding is more hazardous then what they do.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Jun 16, 2008 - 08:55pm PT

Sadir City is patroled exclusively by the Iraqi Army with a few observer/instructors attached.

Suicide rates did increase.

By 16 people.

When compared to the same demographic suicides in the military are still significantly lower (17.3 versus 20.1)than the same civilian age group.

Also, 2/3rds of the suicides were by people that had never deployed to a combat zone.

You guys are clueless.

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 09:05pm PT

So TGT, do our soldiers patrol any hazardous areas?

And yes I consider observers/advisors in Sadr City to be exposed to the hazards.

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 09:13pm PT

What statistic did I use skip?

We do lose about 30 soldiers a month in Iraq right?

We won't count the many months we lost much more.

The civilian death rate for motorcycle riding is in the neighborhood of 30 for 100 million miles ridden.

Do you think a random sample of 160K of our solders in the US ride significantly more then 100 million miles a month?

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 09:18pm PT

Yes, I count our observers/instructors as soldiers.

Don't you?

Now debunk my statistics.

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 09:37pm PT

Yes, I did. Since our soldiers have patrolled Sadr City in the past and have made major operations there.

Now do you think our soldiers in Iraq patrol any hazardous areas?

And I didn't think you could do the math anyway.

Considering the huge number of posts you make here, you've got plenty of free time.

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 09:41pm PT

Still waiting Skip.

Do our soldiers patrol any hazardous areas in Iraq?

Where do you think those 30/month are dying?

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 09:49pm PT

Will do Skip.

Now learn some math.

And you still have not answered my question.

Do our soldiers patrol any hazardous areas? Where are those 30/month dying?

Its a pretty simple question and directly related to the topic. No math required.

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 09:56pm PT

Then you should have no problem debunking my statistics, Skip. Hop to it.

Still waiting, where do you think those 30/month are dying?

In the showers?

philo

Trad climber

boulder, co.

Jun 16, 2008 - 10:16pm PT

Skipt to the loo said; "I think you need to quit spending so much time with the transsexuals on Telegraph and get over to "Top Dog" for some truth".

How typical of you and your ilk. You demand documentation from us yet cannot answer our questions so you devolve into comments like the above.

And Skippy I call BS on your multiple degrees. If they are for real post them up or shut up.

And monolith they don't die in the showers but rather they get electrocuted when they step out of the shower owing to the shoddy work of Cheney's buddys' shoddy no bid contract work.

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Jun 16, 2008 - 10:27pm PT

Skip, I'll take it you, with all those degrees, are unable to debunk the statistics I laid out and prefer to do a massive cut and paste job instead.

Dogtown Climber

Trad climber

The Idyllwild City dump

Jun 16, 2008 - 10:29pm PT

Yeah, this war sucks, and we should of never been over there in the first place.

But we are there and as long as we are there the troops need our love and support.

Heres a idea for all you neo-Hippies

Go down to the airport and spit on a few as their coming home after fighting for their country.

Tell them that their friend died for nothing, because the new president doesn't have the balls to finish the fight.

Tell the Iraqis that they are a part of Iran now like it or not.

Code pink Losers.

Michelle

Trad climber

Fort Sam

Jun 16, 2008 - 10:37pm PT

the EMT training ts standard national registry, taught by civilians. The combat medic side is what's tough. I just hope I'm not all ate up!

Do it Riley if its what you want.

MisterE

Social climber

My Inner Nut

Jun 16, 2008 - 10:41pm PT

I don't always agree with Bryan, and boundaries have been pushed on many sides - the "where's Allah now, bitches", the severe outing (which I was as impressed as stunned by), and general vitriol - but I like that he knows how he is.
An exacerbator, gun-freak, trust-funder - whatever. I consider Minerals a friend...

BUT DAMN SON! You stirred up a hornet's nest this time!

Erik

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Jun 16, 2008 - 10:49pm PT

"Go down to the airport and spit on a few as their coming home after fighting for their country"

Everyone here understands that the troops are just doing what they need to do. No one advocates spitting on them.

It is supporting the troops to advocate for getting them out of an unjust war so that more of them wont die.
It is supporting the troops when we call bullsh@t on the government when they do not care for returning troops.
It is supporting the troops when we recognize that we are just creating MORE terrorist.

A NEO HIPPIE AND PROUD OF IT.

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Skip, the article you posted above is so flawed, it is not funny. For one, Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before we invaded. That fact alone negates more the half the article.