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screelover
Mountain climber
Canuckistan
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Feb 12, 2008 - 02:39pm PT
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The other real benefit of a single payer system is that nobody can be excluded for a pre-existing condition. "Universality" means just that - everyone. Plus you don't have HMO's having to approve treatments - the Doc and patient call the shots.
I don't know about you, but the last thing I want is some beancounter in Deluth deciding what treatment I qualify for.
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John Moosie
climber
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Feb 12, 2008 - 03:09pm PT
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Lois, many Canadians here have given you another view of your facts. Such as the fact that a lot of the reason that Canadians come here has to do with how close certain hospitals or treatment centers are to what they can access in Canada. If your town is three or four hours from a large Canadian city with the facility that you need and there is a facility right across the border, then you will go there.
As for the English coming here. The wealthy will go where they want to go. I don't worry about them. Why do you? This doesn't mean I don't care about them, it just means that I know that with enough money, you can get the medical attention you need. Its those with less money or with prior conditions that concern me. Our system screws them.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 12, 2008 - 04:01pm PT
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I posted in some long-ago thread on this subject that after considerable experience with both Canadian and US systems I'd concluded that both were fine if you had really good insurance coverage, but whereas such coverage was given to everyone in Canada, that was not the case in the US. But hey, that's just decades of experience, so no need to treat it as fact, or let it interfere with opinions formed out of experience with just one of the systems.
And regarding the movement of people from one country to another in search of medical care, don't forget that increasing numbers of US citizens are heading elsewhere (Latin America and India, but also other countries) for treatment they either cannot get or cannot afford at home.
I also believe that the notion held by some people that the US, whatever its other problems, is home to the most advanced medical treatments and facilities, is no longer valid. No question that the US has fancier hospitals and labs than, say, Uganda, but do you really believe that places like Germany, Japan, Singapore, Australia, Canada, etc etc are in some kind of 19th Century medical fog? That only in the US does the light of medical science shine brightly? That only the US is pouring vast amounts of reseach money into medicine, while other countries are devoting their scarce resources to... to... to what? Megatrilliondollar wars on the other side of the globe?
And of course, only in a backward religious dictatorship could the apportionment of medical research funding be determined according to 2,000-year-old religious beliefs. That would never happen in a nation like the US which is well known as the leading scientific...
Ah, what's the use? As my father says, you can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think. Or her.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 12, 2008 - 04:25pm PT
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Just thought I'd drop in and see how things were going. The plan does seem to be working - http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=242298
LEB, on liability insurance: "if you are in obstetrics make that figure $120,000 per year just for the malpractice insurance, alone. They kill you coming and going."
I believe that's what's known as a double entendre.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Feb 27, 2008 - 11:51am PT
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"Quebec's SOCIALIST health care system"? Better let the author know there is no such thing Mr. Hiker.....
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screelover
Mountain climber
Canuckistan
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Feb 27, 2008 - 04:17pm PT
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Bluering,
Not to be picky, but Claude Castonguay is not considered "the father of Medicare" in Canada, that honour goes to Tommy Douglas, former premier of Saskatchewan (and grand-dad of 24s Keiffer Sutherland, for those into obscure Canadian facts).
Also, I think you misunderstand what Castonguay is talking about in the article. He is not arguing against our single-payer system, but for allowing more private clinics and other care providers, all of whom would be paid by the same single-payer.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
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One year later to the date, they just upped my rate an additional $130.00 per month. Why are people uninsured, because the companies do not want to pay for our health care as we grow older. They jack the rates until we give up.
For many the choice becomes the choice of a roof over the head, groceries, a car or health insurance.
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