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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Apr 16, 2019 - 06:18pm PT
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Refer to polical posts
Peace
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PellucidWombat
Mountain climber
Draperderr, by Bangerter, Utah
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Apr 16, 2019 - 07:04pm PT
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I have good reasons to not upload lots of my own photos to this site (ones that I have taken, own, and host on my own server). I also didn't want to be one of those d#@&%es who posts a teaser TR with a link redirecting people away from here to the writer's personal site. I guess now I need to finish making my site nicer and become that d#@&%e...
Too bad. I thought trip reports were what made this site.
If anyone wants to view my older ones, or the new ones I was ramping up to begin posting again, they are all available elsewhere. I'll be updating my reports with the direct links at the top.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Under the Webmasters Thumb
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:21pm PT
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DMT was the Huell Houwser of the Central Valley. How this site let that talent go is beyond me. Seems like someone in charge had a bad day and decided to piss in our cereal and tell us it's our fault.
Time to open the IV of morphine on this dying corpse.
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Zay
climber
Monterey, Ca
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:25pm PT
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sorry but why is ST doing a blanket deletion of all photos??? is every trip report ever going to suffer this fate?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:29pm PT
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Lastly, regarding DMT, you should know that he was not nuked. Dingus Milktoast has been a long time and deeply respected contributor to the site. He asked to have his posts removed in a brief but very kind email to Chris. In his request to remove his posts he said:
Its been a wonderful run and I've no regrets nor criticisms. Thank you for the opportunity to post to and read your wonderful forum. Its time for me to move on. Cheers and see you at the crags.
Dingus Milktoast's contributions were appreciated by Chris and millions of people who have visited the SuperTopo Climber's forum. But, his request to remove his posts was respected. On behalf of all of us, I'd like to thank Dingus, ask you all to join Chris in respecting DMT's personal choice. It will be a pleasure to see him at the crags.
rj
From the politicalKnott thread
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Under the Webmasters Thumb
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Apr 16, 2019 - 09:52pm PT
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Bullshit!
This is playing out like some B-Movie Biblical Movie. The Great Creator CMac starts a world and invites talking monkeys to play in it. The Great Creator then mostly ignores the place for years until one day he looks and says "WTF?".
The talking monkeys, smoking ducks, drooling ungulates, perverts, pornos, proselytizers and sutpid morans have turned his perfect digital world into a zoo.
CMac then sends down his Two Commandments of Thall Shalt Nots followed by his faithful servant Noah of Spurrier who politely blames us for our own sins while the Great Creator smites us with exile and abolishment.
Sh#t like this was why I quit going to Church as a kid.
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fragglerockjoe
Trad climber
space-man from outer space
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Apr 16, 2019 - 10:13pm PT
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Super Twerp
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Apr 17, 2019 - 06:26am PT
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Rj thanks for addressing the rumors and I hope people will reconsider their super- dramatic exits. For the people who want to publish old Alpinist etc articles, I think you need an offsite solution with links here, like mark Hudson did with his trip reports, which are only linked here. You need to contact the publishers and get their permission or in some way that's fair use, such as only posting excerpts and commenting on it or comparing it to how the route is climbed today etc. I haven't researched the legal issues but would be surprised if the laws on photos and YouTube videos arent the same.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
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Apr 17, 2019 - 07:00am PT
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Rj thanks for addressing the rumors and I hope people will reconsider their super- dramatic exits.
Q. What's the worst part about leaving?
A. People knott knowing that you're leaving!
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Trump
climber
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Apr 17, 2019 - 07:49am PT
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What bums me out is that they didn’t give me more help writing that book that I never wrote. I’d be happy to give y’all a copy of my book free if I’d actually written it. I guess on the plus side though, they did actually give me a place for me to complain about them not helping me more to write that book I never actually wrote.
Facebook can handle that easily
Yea they can. Just ask Cambridge Analytica and Putin and Donnie boy. You can trust that Zuckerberg fellow, with his $66.8 billion net worth, to treat you right! What really gets my goat is when other people work to their own advantage on a smaller level.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Apr 17, 2019 - 08:59am PT
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My guess...
SuperTopo is being sold to a corporate giant that will mine your data but they need clear providence.
This promotional image will serve as my first post after the Great Purge of 2019.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Apr 17, 2019 - 10:32am PT
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It’s a continued pattern that people are sick of and that has degraded the worth of this forum. Maybe you don’t care about climbing anymore but these guys have an especial talent for gutting valuable content in thread after thread, rendering them worthless. You could have written many books off the information they have erased with a few key strokes. It’s a shameful bias against the users and their contributions.
I agree whole heartedly. I'm assuming Chris has his back to a wall on some level, or is completely indifferent and truly doesn't care about the ST climbing community. I'm hoping its the prior.
I have written over 40 TR labors of love, full of photos and creative effort. I'm strongly thinking of deleting all of them and copying and saving them elsewhere before they can be injured on any level with what's going on here. It would be sad to stop visiting this site that has brought me much joy over the years, not to mention created real friendships that have grown outside the forum.
Scott
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:37pm PT
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The Wiki article regarding DMCA and the "safe harbor" aspect of it is actually a very good summary, including a good list of relevant case law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
From what I gather, SuperTopo has fully complied with the requirements necessary for it to avoid copyright suits, and it is therefore only required to remove images about which it has received a take-down demand from the copyright holder. At that point, it has no liability.
I believe that the deeper any of you care to go into the provisions of the DMCA and the safe harbor provisions, the more you will agree that it sure appears that an unnecessarily heavy hand is being used here regarding posted images.
I'm not a copyright attorney, but the DMCA (particularly the safe harbor provisions) were not written for attorneys. The goal was to bring an understandable set of rules to the Internet and enable "providers" to create "venues" in which some participants might violate copyright, but without liability to the "providers" themselves (as long as they follow a simple set of rules). And the safe harbor provisions do not apply strictly to ISPs. Multiple court cases have found that bloggers and other content venues, including forums, are also contemplated by safe harbor.
There's no rocket science in interpreting the case law, and I sincerely don't see what the paranoia is about. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I mean that. But the take-downs seem far more sweeping than the law calls for. It's both a shame and seemingly unnecessary for the community to lose all of this content, MOST of which the posters own.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:43pm PT
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it is therefore only required to remove images about which it has received a take-down demand from the copyright holder. At that point, it has no liability. YES. That is my understanding as well.
Let the accuser do the work.
I've been a plaintiff as well - not copyright, but breach of contract - I won - I always do - but have been surprised by how much legal protection a typical business or citizen has from being harassed by lawsuits - contrary to what one may come to believe through popular media.
The distance between ST.com getting a threat letter and actually having to pay damages on something is basically to the moon and back - all on the accusers dime for legal fees - so there better be a giant pile of cash there to justify it - and in this case there isn't.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Apr 17, 2019 - 02:57pm PT
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so there better be a giant pile of cash there to justify it - and in this case there isn't
In my own experience as plaintiff, and from everything I read, in the vast majority of cases, a cease and desist is the sole goal. And for SuperTopo, that means nothing more than complying with the take-down demand.
"To the moon and back" is a good summation, I believe, of the odds that SuperTopo actually gets sued by a copyright holder. And the law only requires that material be taken down in response to a particular demand. So, the sweeping purge that is going on seems way over the top to me.
Again, sincerely, correct me if I'm wrong.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 17, 2019 - 03:59pm PT
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This is a test to compare an uploaded image to ST vs a linked uploaded image to my website:
The first is OK, but lacks fine detail. The second is more what I want.
Just curious.
Edit: should work now, L. I made an error in typing.
Mike, do you have a high definition screen? I see finer detail on my linked image.
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:03pm PT
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"This site can’t be reached
www128.pair%20.com’s server IP address could not be found.
Search Google for 128 pair r3d4k7 LBEXP380b2
ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED"
This is what I got when I clicked the link. And that little square with the upside down smiley face.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:05pm PT
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howdy L!
I get the same image looking at the direct upload or clicking the link.
EDIT: looks like John fixed a link between the L and Bolte tests
John - if I click in the image you uploaded to ST, the resolution looks the same as the linked image. Without enlarging the uploaded image, it does have degraded resolution
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Apr 17, 2019 - 04:06pm PT
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hey there, say, L... i could not get it to work, either...
but, i thought my computer was stalled...
i just now got it to work, so-- it must be fixed?
(i think he added more words, now, since the few seconds ago,
when i clicked) ...
hope this helped?
ahhh, thanks so much, jogill...
hee hee, good-- NOT my computer... :)
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