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Flip Flop
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Intelligence and the principles of Science are always qualified. We don't know anything but we are close enough to put a ship on Mars. Anyone claiming infallible knowledge
needs to question their assumptions
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Happiegrrrl2
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Sloaper, women do not routinely seek 3rd trimester abortions under ANY circumstances, and NO ethical doctor would perform one when the child is healthy or even moderately disabled. The 3rd term abortion is done only in cases where the mothers life is at risk or the child is so severely handicapped they will suffer for the duration of their life. This is a very complex issue well beyond the sound bites like you posted.
Will our country PROMISE to provide the best possible care for these beings once they are born? Because they are so handicapped they require round the clock assistance not for the first year or even qi years, but for the duration of their lives.
I know a woman who loves her son who never progressed to even crawl. That child would not have been a 3rd term abortion candidate. The mother visits him weekly, and tries to soothe him as he flails in agony and frustration(?).
She was trying to find another care place for him as the one he'd been in for 30 years couldn't manage his personality any longer. Trained professions, unable to attend to this person. The costs keep this women in poverty. Her husband did the best he could but divorced long ago from the strain.
Don't fool yourself into believing these are people who are tossing away babies just because they have an "inconvenient" disability or the women just procrastinated out of disregard for that baby.
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apogee
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‘Too hot to handle’: Pelosi predicts GOP won’t trigger another shutdown
The House speaker discusses Trump’s border wall, impeachment and the 2020 presidential campaign in an exclusive interview with POLITICO.
By HEATHER CAYGLE, SARAH FERRIS and JOHN BRESNAHAN 02/07/2019 05:00 AM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/pelosi-trump-government-shutdown-1154355
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi is vowing that the federal government will not shut down again, even as President Donald Trump ratchets up pressure for his border wall ahead of a fast-approaching deadline.
“There will not be another shutdown,” Pelosi confidently asserted during a half-hour interview Wednesday in her Capitol office. “No, it’s not going to happen.”
After the 35-day shutdown — and the political drubbing that Trump and Republicans took during the record-breaking impasse — Pelosi predicted GOP leaders won’t go down that road again.
“I have a club that I started, it’s called the ‘Too Hot to Handle Club.’ And this is a too-hot-to-handle issue,” Pelosi quipped.
Pelosi said she believes a bipartisan House-Senate panel negotiating on border security will come to an agreement before the Feb. 15 funding deadline. And she pledged to support any deal that emerges from those talks, even as she remains firm that there won’t be new money for Trump’s wall.
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While saying she respects the office Trump holds — and prays for him daily — Pelosi dismissed Tuesday’s State of the Union address, even as the California Democrat insisted she can work with the president to move legislation that would benefit the country.
“Don’t waste your time on this. This is theatrics, this is not government,” Pelosi said of Trump’s speech. “We just take this in stride.”
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“You have to do it right,” Pelosi said on the issue of the Ways and Means Committee obtaining Trump’s tax returns. “I hear people say, ‘Why didn’t they do it the first day?’ You have to do it right. You have to protect the prerogatives of the House of Representatives and you cannot be scattershot about that.”
The cautious approach is classic Pelosi: Have a plan, build support for the idea inside and outside Congress, and then methodically execute the strategy.
Pelosi defended her high-profile Democratic freshmen, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, who have come under increasing GOP attacks.
“You can’t worry about what the Republicans are going to say about you,” Pelosi said. “This place is not a place for people who are worried about what the Republicans are going to say about you.”
Pelosi’s efforts have paid off with Ocasio-Cortez, especially. The freshmen superstar told NPR on Wednesday that Pelosi has “done a really good job so far,” even as Pelosi has sidestepped one of the left’s top priorities — a “Green New Deal.”
Ya gotta wonder if her adamant claim that there won't be a shutdown is genuine, and based on experienced confidence, or if it's a taunt to Trump to do it again (which his impulsive reactive self could certainly do).
Hopefully AOC is taking lots of notes on this.
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apogee
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Turns out that VA's Republican Senator, Tommy Norment, oversaw the editing of the Virginia Military Institute's 1968 yearbook, which has numerous images of blackface, Confederate flags, and racist terms used towards Asians and African Americans.
Racism and ignorance knows no political boundary.
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Happiegrrrl2
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The New York Post's cover for today (2/8/2019) headline goes:
Amazon Chief: National Enquirer boss tried to blackmail me with nude pics/BEZOS EXPOSES PECKER
Have to say the person who came up with that one deserves some applause
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Boy, howdy, that’s gonna have me up all night!
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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You're right that we don't know the truth.
Just seems to me that Vanessa Tyson's accusations against Lt. Go. Fairfax seem much more credible than Blasey Ford's strange tale against Kav.
There were more than just Ford's accusation against Kav. There was a much broader pattern of [alleged] behavior that gave Ford's accusations more credibility.
What the standard of proof for these situations should be, is difficult.
As is what should be the punishment.
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EdwardT
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Retired
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There were more than just Ford's accusation against Kav. There was a much broader pattern of [alleged] behavior that gave Ford's accusations more credibility.
What the standard of proof for these situations should be, is difficult.
For starters, how about corroboration.
In all of those cases, no one backed up any of the claims. They all fell apart under scrutiny.
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apogee
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Edward, what do you think about the claims of rape against VA Lt. Gov. Fairfax? Credible or no?
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divad
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wmass
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2019 - 03:02pm PT
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Of course he'll think they're credible..
and I think they are..
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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You all don't get it...
Any claims of sexual assault simply have to have video or audio evidence to back them
short of that, any claims have to be witnessed by a clean, credible person to testify
or the assault did not happen
even the sexual assault victim telling another person it happened does not count
because it could be a set up, a plant, an attempt perhaps pay off someone to back the story
because people have been known to lie, to get media attention, be a star
it takes a person with a powerful intellect to see frat boy Kavanaugh's sexual assault accuser as nothing but a liar, non credible, no accual witness to back her, she should not be believed
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divad
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wmass
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2019 - 03:24pm PT
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no corroboration does not equate to lying..
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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So I don't see the harm in letting things play out longer, but with the second accuser against the lt. Gov, I would say that unless something comes out to discredit the two stories, he should resign.
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August West
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Where the wind blows strange
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For starters, how about corroboration.
In all of those cases [against Kav], no one backed up any of the claims. They all fell apart under scrutiny.
Right. Keep telling yourself that.
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apogee
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Feb 10, 2019 - 08:37am PT
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Shutdown talks stalled
A stopgap Homeland Security bill is being discussed now.
By MARIANNE LEVINE and HEATHER CAYGLE 02/10/2019 08:53 AM EST Updated 02/10/2019 09:44 AM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/10/government-shutdown-talks-hit-snag-1160924
Negotiations to avert another government shutdown have stalled, leaving lawmakers in the same place they’ve been for months.
Although lawmakers were optimistic going into the weekend about reaching a border security deal and funding the government past Feb. 15, negotiators are now discussing a stopgap Homeland Security bill, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.
Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) acknowledged Sunday that negotiations have stalled and put the odds of getting a deal at 50-50.
"We've got some problems with the Democrats dealing with ICE," Shelby told Fox News' Chris Wallace, referring to Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "I'm not confident we're going to get there, I'm hoping we will get there."
I'd be very surprised if this wound up in another shutdown situation, as it would splash a lot of sh#t over the GOP, if the Dems play it reasonably well. Still, I'm pretty numb from 2+ years of being surprised at this point, so that surprise would be pretty minimal.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Feb 10, 2019 - 08:45am PT
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Apogee, you underestimate the spinout. During the last shutdown I listened to people daily decrying the Democrats for not giving him that wall. One even said that the delay on voting was because Pelosi was out of the country. Another person then said - in ernest - "They should shoot her when she tries to get back in the country."
There are people who really do believe that the Democrats are harrassing the president with this whole Mueller thing, and have no factual basis for it. Which is what is being pushed by TrumpMedia. Tell them "You REALLY think people are being arrested and detained and it's all bogus?" They turn to stone and refuse to even consider walking through the thought.
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apogee
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Feb 10, 2019 - 09:22am PT
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At this point in the process of another shutdown, the wind is more in the Dem's back than it is in the Republican's. More Repubs are against the idea of another shutdown than in support of it- and a similar opposition exists to Trump's 'National Emergency' strategy. The agreement they've been trying to reach over the last week in Congress has made better bipartisan progress, but the sticking point is still how much funding to provide for Trump's wall. He'll probably get some...remember that the original budget called for $1.6 B...so whatever he can get, he'll spin as a 'victory', whether it's a wall, or a fence, or a pack of rabid kittens.
Of course, Dems have a well-established history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, so there's plenty of ways to bungle this up. I'm counting on Pelosi to stay on track with her strategy.
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John M
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Feb 10, 2019 - 09:45am PT
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I could believe her experience. She was in Quartzite. I hear the same things said here in Bullhead city. I hear it just by listening in restaurants, cafes or in line at the grocery store. I don't have to ask people their opinion. I just overhear them talking to other people. I get along fine with people who have vastly different beliefs as I do. I talk regularly to a guy at the hardware store who is a trump supporter. We are friendly towards each other. He believes some very strange things. Many that are easily disproved, but which he won't listen to about. 2 of my neighbors are trump supporters. I get along with them well enough. I just don't hammer them about their beliefs. Occasionally I point out things I disagree about, but I don't hammer them.
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apogee
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Feb 10, 2019 - 09:55am PT
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The words above are good ones.
Contrary to what one might think, Idyllwild is predominantly conservative, and a fair number of Democrats who hold some similar conservative views. The family that I have here tend to vote Republican, and the great majority of my neighbors are Republican, with a fair number of outright Trump supporters.
One thing that has become much clearer to me in the last few years is that that there is a difference between conservatives that vote Republican, the GOP/Republican Party, and Trump supporters. There is a great tendency on the Left to lump them all together, but that is not at all the case- and to try to have a conversation with someone and regard them as all the same is not going to be productive for anyone.
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