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HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jul 28, 2018 - 12:36pm PT
ATG has totally impressed me with his lack of logic.

He isn't worried about what you think about him. He isn't your dog...
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Jul 28, 2018 - 01:58pm PT
Get a room you two.

What do you think this is, the church of latter day mutual ball cuppers?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 28, 2018 - 02:12pm PT
the supreme court ruling on union dues is a feeble attempt by the new corporate friendly supreme court to undermine unions...It's not going to work...The only thing that will break up unions is private sector jobs that pay better than union jobs...think that will ever happen...? LMAO...Just about every move Trump has made puts the middle class at a disadvantage...What happened to his better health care plan...? He doesn't have one...He's a lying sack of sh--
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 28, 2018 - 02:22pm PT
Lots of perspective out there on whether Trump is "winning" with the economy. We'll see:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/25/for-the-last-time-trump-inherited-a-good-economy-and-he-hasnt-made-it-better
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 28, 2018 - 02:29pm PT
Hey ATG, San Diego has one of the worst pension problems in America, was 2 billion in the hole if I recall correctly. And which Republican actively worked to cover it up, yes Republican Mayor Dick Murphy.

And it was a Libtard that solved California's multi-billion dollar budget crisis.

Plenty of blame to go around both parties, I think it is disingenuous to blame one party.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2018 - 02:29pm PT
The Washington Post has an alarming article titled:

The junk debt that tanked the economy? It's back in a big way.
Loans to highly indebted businesses — that are packaged into securities — are up 38 percent this year. These securities are known as “collateralized loan obligations,” or CLOs. And guess what, Trump's latest Supreme Court Justice pick, Brett M. Kavanaugh, got to rule in favor of more lax regulations on CLOs.

Read the article here, or my highlights below:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-junk-debt-that-tanked-the-economy-its-back-in-a-big-way/ar-BBL9ef2

Like most people, you probably assume that the level of lending done by banks at any moment is largely driven by how much demand there is from borrowers. But in the world of modern finance, that’s only part of the story. For just as important is the level of demand from investors — pension funds, hedge funds, mutual funds, sovereign wealth funds and insurance companies — to buy the loans that banks make. Indeed, there are times when there’s so much demand for loans from investors and the profit from selling them is so lucrative that bankers are only too happy to go out and make bigger and riskier loans than they would if they were keeping them on their own books.

Now it is happening again, as investors and money managers scramble to buy floating-rate debt — debt offering interest payments that will increase as global interest rates rise, as they are expected to over the next few years. A big new source of floating-rate credit is the market for “leveraged loans” — loans to highly indebted businesses — that are packaged into securities known as “collateralized loan obligations,” or CLOs. Because the market seems to have an insatiable appetite for CLOs, leveraged lending and CLO issuance through the first half of the year are already up 38 percent over last year’s near-record levels.

Credit-rating companies such as Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s have recently warned that this surge in corporate borrowing and lending has led to a noticeable decline in the quality of the loans. The borrowers have lower credit ratings. The loans contain fewer of the standard conditions that are meant to protect lenders. And the rating companies calculate that lenders should expect to recover less of their money if the borrowers default or go into bankruptcy.

For the most part, however, these warnings have gone unheeded. Although some sophisticated investors have begun to pull back from the CLO market, they have been replaced by retail investors seeking higher yields who have flocked to mutual funds and exchange-traded funds that specialize in CLO debt.

Earlier this year, after complaints from banks and dealmakers reached sympathetic ears in the Trump administration, the newly installed chairman of the Federal Reserve and the Comptroller of the Currency Office declared that previous “guidance” against lending to companies whose debt exceeded six times their annual cash flow should not be taken as a hard and fast rule.

Regulators later explained that the announcement was not meant to lower lending standards but rather to emphasize that multiple factors would be used by bank examiners in assessing loans. More broadly, their view is that because banks are now so much better capitalized, with less leveraged and less reliance on short-term funding, they will be able to survive a serious market correction, as demonstrated by recent “stress tests” in which their exposure to leveraged loans was factored in.

Whether intended or not, however, the market read the regulators’ announcement not only as a green light to the banks to step up their leveraged lending but also as an indication that regulators would be more responsive to industry pressure than during the Obama years.

The CLO market got an even bigger boost this year when an appeals court in Washington struck down a regulation issued under the Dodd-Frank financial regulation law that required all securitizers — the firms that bundle loans of any kind and sell pieces of the packages to investors — to retain 5 percent of a deal. The regulation’s rationale was that if the securitizers had “skin in the game,” they wouldn’t have an incentive to make or buy questionable loans and peddle them to unsuspecting investors. For Dodd-Frank’s authors, this was a central feature of the architecture of financial reform.

When the risk retention rules were finally announced, however, the association representing independent CLO managers — those not associated with big banks — sued to block it, arguing the law did not apply to them because they never take ownership of the loans, so there is nothing for them to “retain.” Instead, these managers raise money from investors through an independent, legal entity known as a special purpose vehicle and then direct the SPV to use that money to buy the loans on the open market. A district judge saw through the ruse and dismissed the suit, but in February, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit bought the industry argument hook, line and sinker.

The appeals court opinion is a model of legal and etymological hairsplitting by activist, conservative judges who were clearly looking for a way to ignore the explicit intent of Congress, which was to make risk retention a feature of all loan-backed securities, no matter who made the original loan.

In fact, the CLO managers had asked the House Financial Services Committee to include a specific exemption for them in the law, citing the financial burden it would place on smaller securitizers. They also argued that the standard CLO fee structure, which provided bonus payments if investors were paid in full, was the equivalent of their having “skin in the game.”

The legislators, however, were not receptive to those arguments.
“The basic idea was to cover all securitizations, so we used very broad language,” Lawranne Stewart, then assistant chief counsel to the committee, recalled. “In fact, the language in the bill generally was so broad that we were criticized for overreaching. . . . We told [the CLO managers] that we would leave it to the regulators to deal with the question of who did and did not deserve an exception.”

Regulators, however, were also reluctant to create an exception. As they warned the appeals court in their briefs, if independent CLO managers were exempted from risk retention, it would create a giant loophole for any managers using the same method and structure to securitize any type of loans. Those who didn’t would be at a serious competitive disadvantage.
Although none of the three judges had spent a day working on Wall Street, they nonetheless dismissed the warnings of agency experts and in their opinion “provided a road map for securitizers of all sorts to avoid risk retention,” according to Michael Barr, a professor of law and public policy at the University of Michigan who served as point man on the financial reform effort for the Treasury in the Obama administration. As a result, Barr said, we “have now re-created the condition that led to the last crisis by making it easier to aggregate loans that are not good for investors.”

The three judges who signed on to that opinion were all appointed by Republican presidents, all have a long track record of skepticism toward regulation and regulators, and all have a long association with the conservative Federalist Society. Only one of them, however — Brett M. Kavanaugh — was just nominated by President Trump to be a Supreme Court justice.

Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 28, 2018 - 04:11pm PT
After the econmy tanks, ATG will blame Obama.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 28, 2018 - 04:31pm PT
What's orange to do when in NY? It's said he watches TV 8 hours a day.




ALBANY, New York (WABC) -- New York announced Friday that Charter Communications, Inc., doing business as Spectrum, is no longer permitted to serve customers in the state.

Regulators said that Spectrum, the largest cable provider in New York, failed to comply with several conditions mandated when the state approved Charter's 2016 merger with Time Warner Cable, Inc.

Spectrum reportedly failed to meet deadlines, attempted to skirt obligations to serve rural communities and used unsafe practices in the field.

As a result, the New York State Public Service Commission revoked the approval of the merger.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 28, 2018 - 04:52pm PT
I’ll have to remember to avoid Blah Blah Esq. if I’m in Boulder and need any legal documents drafted.

And if I need to repeat 7th grade, I'll keep my eyes open for other substitute teachers :)
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 28, 2018 - 05:15pm PT
heye blah,
whats my next click if im looking for climbs I hiked to after parking at the atmospheric research center place?

Ummm, can you repeat the question?
Assuming you mean NCAR, it provides good access to the central Flatirons, Fern Canyon etc. Are you trying to find the name of a climb you did or recommendations for climbs or something else?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 28, 2018 - 05:40pm PT
Fritz, rather an alarmist article and somewhat typical for msn. CLO’s aren’t anywhere close to being the danger that article would have us believe. According to Bloomberg:

Analysts see $90 billion to a high of $125 billion in new CLO issuance for 2018. If bullish sentiment prevails, the market will test, and may break the $124 billion record for issuance set in 2014.

Resets are expected to increase while refinancing volume may decrease since most vintage CLOs that fell under the Crescent-letter risk-retention exception have already been refinanced. An estimated $60 billion to $70 billion of CLO resets, similar to last year’s supply, are seen for 2018.

Compare that to the total US mortgage loans of $14.5 TRILLION! CLO’s are chump change! And that article also implies the danger posed to mutual funds held by you and me. Without doing any research I would bet a sizeable amount that very few Vanguard funds have more than a couple of percentage points of exposure to corporate CLO’s. On the other hand Citigroup, which you and I ‘own’, is rather disproportionately exposed thru its 21% share of CLO resets. But I think the danger is immensely less than what it was leading up to the housing loan crisis because corporations aren’t gonna walk away from a house they’ve defaulted on.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 28, 2018 - 05:46pm PT
fukkin' A bitches. Why don't all the Trum_pits and Trump himself post their true net worth here.

You can't afford to pay, you don't deserve to play, eh?

[Click to View YouTube Video]

And by the way, how much money did orange get from Russia.

Wouldn't you think he would be happy to demonstrate how rich he really is?


blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 28, 2018 - 06:19pm PT
xCon, the sport climb was likely Touch Monkey, and the TR was on Square Rock. Good descriptions are on Mountain Project:
https://www.mountainproject.com/route/105755617/touch-monkey
https://www.mountainproject.com/area/105744687/square-rock

Huge amount of climbing in the Flatirons of course, with more good climbs still going in
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 28, 2018 - 06:24pm PT
blatz blatz

Here's to the easiest bar exam in the country and/or hiring someone to take the test for ya

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 28, 2018 - 06:58pm PT
xCon, it's a great place, beautiful with good climbs, glad you got to enjoy it. I live about 10 mins from NCAR, I should consider myself lucky and get over the haters we sometimes get here.

zBrown-- just sayin' I'm a credentialed lawyer (not that it's anything to brag about, and as Lennox noted, you may want to avoid to avoid my services!) As to how I got that credential, you have an interesting theory, but let me also note it's a multiple choice test (at least 1/2 of it, when I took it), and sometimes it's your lucky day!
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2018 - 07:39pm PT
Reilly! I appreciate your wisdom on my post of the alarmist article on CLO's. It was from the Washington Post, but MSN posted the one I linked to.

Fritz, rather an alarmist article and somewhat typical for msn. CLO’s aren’t anywhere close to being the danger that article would have us believe.


CLO's are just another "dog-turd", in the supposed chocolate box of risky investments, that Trump & his lackeys have made easier for corporate suckers to buy.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 29, 2018 - 08:36am PT
[Following the Microsoft model] About half of Google’s workers are contractors who don’t receive the same benefits as direct employees

Like other firms, Google relies on outsourcing operations in Southeast Asia -- rows of office workers in India and other countries that label mapping data and handle other relatively simple computing work. But Google also hires highly educated contractors in its backyard. Some TVCs arrive with advanced technical degrees and years of experience, working on niche efforts like renewable energy and sensor design.

The line between TVCs and full-timers is clear. One 2016 TVC employment contract from Zenith Talent Corp., a recruiting agency, states that TVCs “will not be entitled to any compensation, options, stock, insurance or other rights or benefits accorded to employees of Google.” The terms hold even if a court later determines the worker was legally a Google employee. Zenith did not respond to requests for comment.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 29, 2018 - 09:04am PT
Fritz, CLO’s are no riskier than plain vanilla corporate ‘junk’ bonds which I’ve made good money on. Corporations are much more incentivized to make them good than individuals with risky mortgages. Vanguard obviously agrees which is why they offer ‘junk’ bond funds.

THIS JUST IN:

U.S. Treasury's Mnuchin says he sees at least 3 percent growth for next 4-5 years

That should get us another 4 years of greatness, eh? 😉
FWIW, I’m seriously considering moving to either England, Norway, or Sweden. As you might suspect I am a big fan of the much misunderstood Adam Smith. A telling quote of his I am finding most prescient:

“The rate of profit...is always highest in the countries which are going fastest to ruin.”
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 29, 2018 - 11:02am PT
^^^
You're either a coward or a racist. If brown people bother you that much (and you believe CA is a failing state anyways) move to Kansas.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 29, 2018 - 11:19am PT
Dude’s a fascist. Supports authoritiaranism (see post a few pages back about sending in military to sanctuary cities), racism (see birther rants) and xenophobia (see post above, and others). It’s pointless discussing anything with him..
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